Sociotard Posted June 10, 2020 Report Share Posted June 10, 2020 If anything, he should be happy. Reports of the D candidate leading by a wide margin gives D voters a reason to stay home and not bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 I never thought I'd live to see this happen. NASCAR to ban Confederate flag from racetracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 Corporations may spout idealistic slogans from time to time, but we all know their main concern is their profitability. NASCAR must have realized most of their paying customers want that change. If the current movement can stay firm and committed for long enough to show corporate America that backing reactionaries will damage their bottom line, the corporations will pressure their political lapdogs to at least act like they're the people's representatives. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Sociotard said: If anything, he should be happy. Reports of the D candidate leading by a wide margin gives D voters a reason to stay home and not bother. Well Hillary led by a wider margin right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 I hope the Biden campaign relentlessly urges people to get out and vote. Scares them with the risk of Trump returning to office. It won't be enough for Biden just to win. I'm not accustomed to using extreme language, but Trump needs to be crushed under a landslide defeat. There must be no doubt that Trumpism is rejected in its birthplace, so that it's discredited around the world, and its toxic spread reversed. (I apologize if that's too harsh, and will edit my words if a moderator asks.) DShomshak, assault, Hugh Neilson and 6 others 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 We'll be lucky if there's an uncontested election at all. Look at what happened in Georgia today. Look at what happened in Wisconsin last month. Add pandemics, vote by mail, USPS financial problems, and maybe even more police riots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 41 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: I hope the Biden campaign relentlessly urges people to get out and vote. Scares them with the risk of Trump returning to office. It won't be enough for Biden just to win. I'm not accustomed to using extreme language, but Trump needs to be crushed under a landslide defeat. There must be no doubt that Trumpism is rejected in its birthplace, so that it's discredited around the world, and its toxic spread reversed. Damn STRAIGHT! S.O.B must go down into the ashes of the trash heap of history! (I apologize if that's too harsh, and will edit my words if a moderator asks.) I *Cough* *puts on mod hat, nods sagely* I'll allow it. Cygnia, DShomshak, Matt the Bruins and 6 others 1 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 No matter how big the landslide, Trump will claim he was cheated. "Dishonest media misled voters" and so forth. The only question is, will his next job be hosting an hour on OAN, or will he start his own network? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 Last I checked Kushner owns a majority stake in OANN, so... Sociotard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 38 minutes ago, Old Man said: Last I checked Kushner owns a majority stake in OANN, so... This I didn't know. Why am I not surprised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Sociotard said: No matter how big the landslide, Trump will claim he was cheated. "Dishonest media misled voters" and so forth. The only question is, will his next job be hosting an hour on OAN, or will he start his own network? I agree, he'll protest and try to stir up trouble. As long as his defeat is so thorough that his protest has no credibility even by Trump's standards, I don't give a damn what he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: I hope the Biden campaign relentlessly urges people to get out and vote. Scares them with the risk of Trump returning to office. It won't be enough for Biden just to win. I'm not accustomed to using extreme language, but Trump needs to be crushed under a landslide defeat. There must be no doubt that Trumpism is rejected in its birthplace, so that it's discredited around the world, and its toxic spread reversed. (I apologize if that's too harsh, and will edit my words if a moderator asks.) Well,unfortunately the Biden presidency scares me almost as much, only for different reasons. It has occurred to me that the 2020 election is like circa 1580 Russia, who is better Ivan the terrible or Fyador the bellringer I guess I await the False Dmitri. (Of course the birther say we already got that one.) Really don't know who to root for (other than the asteroid) I guess I should stay away from the polling. Biden ahead will depress me. Trump ahead will depress me. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 24 minutes ago, Badger said: It has occurred to me that the 2020 election is like circa 1580 Russia, who is better Ivan the terrible or Fyador the bellringer I've been looking at this like Boris Yeltsin. It's whoever adopts the same tactics and tools that Trump has been using (and the same 'activated'/religious base), combined with modern surveillance state, that scares me more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said: I agree, he'll protest and try to stir up trouble. As long as his defeat is so thorough that his protest has no credibility even by Trump's standards, I don't give a damn what he does. I find it adorable that you think Trump has standards. If the past three and a half years have taught us anything, I believe it is that there is no low to which this President will not sink in the promulgation of his agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 38 minutes ago, Badger said: Well,unfortunately the Biden presidency scares me almost as much, only for different reasons. It has occurred to me that the 2020 election is like circa 1580 Russia, who is better Ivan the terrible or Fyador the bellringer I guess I await the False Dmitri. (Of course the birther say we already got that one.) Really don't know who to root for (other than the asteroid) I guess I should stay away from the polling. Biden ahead will depress me. Trump ahead will depress me. I would consider the choice between Biden and Trump, closer to choosing between Gorbachev and Rasputin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 40 minutes ago, Pariah said: I find it adorable that you think Trump has standards. If the past three and a half years have taught us anything, I believe it is that there is no low to which this President will not sink in the promulgation of his agenda. No he does have a standard -- what he thinks he can sell. I find it adorable that you think Trump has an agenda, beyond "stay in power" and "be worshiped." Everything else is what catches his attention at the time. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said: I find it adorable that you think Trump has an agenda, beyond "stay in power" and "be worshiped." Everything else is what catches his attention at the time. It's definitely the people around him that have an agenda... and they'll be around regardless. I think any victory 'over' Trump is going to be narrower than I'd like. There will be plenty of excuses he/others can use to throw mud, and that's part of the political game. Throw all the mud you can. Nowadays, even if it means burning down the entire country to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishFox Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 4 hours ago, Badger said: Well,unfortunately the Biden presidency scares me almost as much, only for different reasons. It has occurred to me that the 2020 election is like circa 1580 Russia, who is better Ivan the terrible or Fyador the bellringer I guess I await the False Dmitri. (Of course the birther say we already got that one.) Really don't know who to root for (other than the asteroid) I guess I should stay away from the polling. Biden ahead will depress me. Trump ahead will depress me. I almost wrote in Giant Meteor last time but went with Gary Johnson (aka set my vote on fire). Will this time be any different? Here's my favorite, recent, Biden quote. Seriously, as fast as he's fading if you vote for Biden you're voting for his running mate. How can this be the best we can get from a country of 328 million people? I'd seriously vote for Joe Rogan or Daryl Davis over either of these guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 8 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: No he does have a standard -- what he thinks he can sell. I find it adorable that you think Trump has an agenda, beyond "stay in power" and "be worshiped." Everything else is what catches his attention at the time. You're right on both counts, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 7 hours ago, ScottishFox said: I almost wrote in Giant Meteor last time but went with Gary Johnson (aka set my vote on fire). Will this time be any different? Here's my favorite, recent, Biden quote. Seriously, as fast as he's fading if you vote for Biden you're voting for his running mate. How can this be the best we can get from a country of 328 million people? I'd seriously vote for Joe Rogan or Daryl Davis over either of these guys. I've always thought that perhaps the way we choose our leaders should be a national draft.....anybody who wants to be in power is too suspect in my eyes.... rravenwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 8 hours ago, ScottishFox said: Seriously, as fast as he's fading if you vote for Biden you're voting for his running mate. How can this be the best we can get from a country of 328 million people? I'd seriously vote for Joe Rogan or Daryl Davis over either of these guys. The best we are given, of course. Unfortunately I don't think either of our plan b options have the connections or support to do anything once they got elected. But unfortunately simply following DJT's twitter feed has been enough for me to give him no slack nor consideration. Forget the news about him, having picked up his thoughts and opinions even tangentally like that has been enough to drive me to Biden - I basically have no choice in the matter. The fact that almost every agency/department he's put his fingers into has had literally hundreds-to-thousands of (sometimes ex-)employees talking about what's going on has not endeared me to him either. EPA, NASA, DOJ, now maybe even part of the Military and the CDC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 At least 25 people sought to be the Democratic nominee. (I losty count.) At least 20 of them got to make their pitch, however briefly, on televised debate stages. I thought several of them sounded better than Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders or any of the other "big names." Obviously, not many people agreed with me. So no, Biden is not "who we were given" as the anointed candidate of the Democratic Establishment. (At least not until the primariesbegan, and the party leaders realized that splitting the moderate vote 4 ways would hand the nomination to Sanders -- just like splitting the Not Utter Flaming Lunatic vote 10+ ways handed the Republican nomination to Trump.) Frankly, I wish the big donors and party bigwigs *had* decided early on a slate of 5-6 candidates who'd be backed, for voters to decide among. Preferably governors who had actual experience, you know, governing. But name recognition counts for a lot. And whatever his faults, (and they are many), Joe Biden was a name people knew. Or the tl;dr: Voters. Dean Shomshak Tom Cowan and Matt the Bruins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, DShomshak said: So no, Biden is not "who we were given" as the anointed candidate of the Democratic Establishment. (At least not until the primariesbegan, and the party leaders realized that splitting the moderate vote 4 ways would hand the nomination to Sanders -- just like splitting the Not Utter Flaming Lunatic vote 10+ ways handed the Republican nomination to Trump.) Frankly, I wish the big donors and party bigwigs *had* decided early on a slate of 5-6 candidates who'd be backed, for voters to decide among. Preferably governors who had actual experience, you know, governing. True, that memetic BS affects me too. The whole Dem nomination events were a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 16 hours ago, Hermit said: Damn STRAIGHT! S.O.B must go down into the ashes of the trash heap of history! Last time I checked, The Economist -- not exactly a flaming Leftie publication -- agreed with you. Since his nomination, they've warned that Trump, and Trumpism, pose systemic risk to political stability, economic prosperity, and common decency. Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted June 11, 2020 Report Share Posted June 11, 2020 On 6/6/2020 at 5:18 PM, Cygnia said: How do you make a mazel tov cocktail? Manischevitz and soda, maybe? Because of protesters are using Manischevitz against police, that's just monstrous. Dean Shomshak Pariah, Cygnia, Lawnmower Boy and 2 others 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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