Badger Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 19 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: That is fair. But if you look at history, the Confederate flag languished in obscurity for almost a century after the war. It started to once again be prominently displayed and used as a symbol during the modern era as part of protests against desegregation of schools in the southern US in the early 1960s. And what it was a symbol of had nothing to do with culture or war memorials. Yeah, the flag is probably a lost cause(pun optional). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assault Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 3 hours ago, TrickstaPriest said: I brought it up in the police thread, but I wonder - how many examples can we get of a 'first world' country deploying military assets or legal behavior to harm its own citizens on a semi large scale? Historically. ... Got any other takers? Bloody Sunday, 1972. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, assault said: Bloody Sunday, 1972. I appreciate it, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 White supremacists and racist terrorists pose greatest risk of violence, FBI warns assault and Twilight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Fake News! That comes as a surprise to absolutely no one who hasn't been living in a rightist propaganda bubble. assault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 There are a bunch of bubbles... but the radioshow/host bubble has been doing its thing for the better part of a century Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted June 13, 2020 Report Share Posted June 13, 2020 Atlanta police chief steps down after black man shot and killed by an officer . . . EDIT: Oops, dropped this in the wrong thread before work last night. That's what I get for hurrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 Deleted because I realized I need to think about this more. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 https://connectingvets.radio.com/articles/new-details-about-the-82nd-military-deployment-to-dc?fbclid=IwAR1Chw2-uCVw1q0WIUXlvB2j5ysy04bJDBuSkkWumKRnx4ZfAsLS3s39Tzo A detachment of the 82nd airborne was dispatched to the Washington DC area in preparation of taking to the streets to combat an "insurrection". The original name of the detachment was Task Force White Devil. JFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Device Posted June 14, 2020 Report Share Posted June 14, 2020 So the Trump maladministration has formalized rules making it legal for medical personnel to let me die in the street (or on the operating table) because they think I'm icky. Lord Liaden and Matt the Bruins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 At this point if there's a reprehensible move that this administration hasn't made so far, be patient. They'll get to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 The one thing in Trump's favor. His control will at least leave centralized mess due to his intolerance of in house disent. While the bad on Biden side is the puppet figurehead likelihood, will leave Cabinet members and dept heads to run things unanswered. Leaving a scattered oligarchal mess. Just keeping realistic. The 2020 looks to come down what mess can we clean up easier in 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 To be frank, your repeated assertion of Biden's mental incompetence as a certainty rather than a possibility, based on the few things you've mentioned as having seen and heard, is starting to sound rather dogmatic. There will be no centralized anything left in Donald Trump's wake. He deliberately provokes chaos. He acts on whim, often changing his mind and contradicting his own officials. His White House is divided into frequently-feuding factions, with no clear chain of command beyond the President himself. He's gutted nearly all departments of the civil service of qualified functionaries. The Republican Party has become Trump's rubber-stamp yes-men whose whole focus is supporting whatever foolishness he says or does, with no independent agenda or policies to steer them after he's gone. Any creative, independent Republican thinkers realize they aren't welcome any more, and have resigned or aren't running again. Cygnia, Lawnmower Boy, Ranxerox and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 Everything that Liaden said, plus the fact that Trump hasn't appointed anyone to run the departments he has beheaded because he can't get his choices through the senate because they are a bunch of grifters with crap backgrounds. Half of them have quit the process when told they aren't supposed to use their position to get rich. If only someone had told Richard Burr he wasn't supposed to do that CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 Very well, I didn't mean to get carried away with it in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 Understood, and I'm sorry I came down so hard on you. I guess 2020 has gotten us all rather heated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 No problem. As you mention, I did get a bit repetitive. Kind of easy with the world being frozen in time, with corona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Device Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 15 hours ago, Dr.Device said: So the Trump maladministration has formalized rules making it legal for medical personnel to let me die in the street (or on the operating table) because they think I'm icky. Bwa ha ha! The rules are completely eviscerated by today's Supreme Court decision!https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/15/supreme-court-denies-job-protection-lgbt-workers/4456749002/ Edited to add: I mean, it will take some court cases, but the precedent this sets is crystal clear. Ternaugh, Matt the Bruins, TrickstaPriest and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 Congrats, Doc! It's at least a little reassuring in these troubled times to know that SCOTUS won't automatically swing the way social conservatives want, at least not yet. Dr.Device, pinecone and TrickstaPriest 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 And Gorsuch wrote the majority opinion! I wasn't expecting that at all, though I did figure Roberts would vote the way he did based on his past record on common sense civil rights cases. Countdown to the Twitter meltdown in 3... 2... 1... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted June 15, 2020 Report Share Posted June 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Matt the Bruins said: And Gorsuch wrote the majority opinion! I wasn't expecting that at all, though I did figure Roberts would vote the way he did based on his past record on common sense civil rights cases. Countdown to the Twitter meltdown in 3... 2... 1... Already happening: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/carrie-severino-meltdown-neil-gorsuch-lgbtq-rights.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Ternaugh said: Already happening: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/carrie-severino-meltdown-neil-gorsuch-lgbtq-rights.html "The Courts were never going to save us. Our project as conservatives is to curb their worst excesses, get them out of our way, and when that fails, seek the ultimate vindication of our convictions by defying them in the name of constitutional order." - Saurabh Sharma Is this how social conservatives propose to maintain constitutional order? By openly calling for defiance of the Constitutionally-mandated function of the SCOTUS whenever they don't like how it rules? I hear a bunch of brats throwing a tantrum because they didn't get their favorite dessert. Matt the Bruins, DShomshak and csyphrett 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 18 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: "The Courts were never going to save us. Our project as conservatives is to curb their worst excesses, get them out of our way, and when that fails, seek the ultimate vindication of our convictions by defying them in the name of constitutional order." - Saurabh Sharma Is this how social conservatives propose to maintain constitutional order? By openly calling for defiance of the Constitutionally-mandated function of the SCOTUS whenever they don't like how it rules? I hear a bunch of brats throwing a tantrum because they didn't get their favorite desert. I took it to be a bunch of brats throwing a tantrum because their judicial appointments didn't stay bought. csyphrett 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 59 minutes ago, Ternaugh said: I took it to be a bunch of brats throwing a tantrum because their judicial appointments didn't stay bought. Lol Gorsuch stays bought nine times out of ten. We're talking about spoiled brats here. Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 16, 2020 Report Share Posted June 16, 2020 Only a fool expects money to buy loyalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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