unclevlad Posted January 3, 2021 Report Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said: He said these things while he's still President. Could he even be tried for them, other than through impeachment? I believe they could because they are not related to an action related to his authority *as* president. The request was not within the authority of the office. Contrast that with his pardons; those are within the authority of the office, and thus immune to any kind of charge. Essentially it's akin to a governor busted on corruption; see Rod Blagojevich. Yes, he was impeached but he was also later convicted in federal court. Here, the impeachment (we presume) will be moot because Trump will be out of office before it could happen. (And again, not that it ever would.) Executive immunity covers a lot, but there's a lot of things it doesn't cover. Perhaps a stronger example than the pardons: Trump can't be sued or charged for anything related to the wall. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sociotard Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 It is possible that former presidents could be impeached. It would take a supreme court case to know for certain. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/06/can-former-presidents-be-impeached/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sociotard said: It is possible that former presidents could be impeached. It would take a supreme court case to know for certain. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/06/can-former-presidents-be-impeached/ Even if it was possible, what would be the point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Impeachment can not only remove people from office, it can ban them from ever holding office again. archer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 I felt like sharing some of the 'influencers' pushing for Trump's attempted coup tonight Lawnmower Boy and BarretWallace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 I am sick of people rejoicing in their hateful ignorance. I'm guessing Tim Pool hasn't spoken to a single doctor or nurse in hospitals right now. And he calls the people reporting this tweet "losers." Look in the mirror. 1 hour ago, Sociotard said: It is possible that former presidents could be impeached. It would take a supreme court case to know for certain. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/06/can-former-presidents-be-impeached/ I automatically question whether any idea raised by Matt Gaetz deserves the expenditure of brain cells to consider. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 That is one very, very sick ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: I am sick of people rejoicing in their hateful ignorance. I'm guessing Tim Pool hasn't spoken to a single doctor or nurse in hospitals right now. And he calls the people reporting this tweet "losers." Look in the mirror. 4 minutes ago, unclevlad said: That is one very, very sick ****. Just felt like reminding people who honest-to-goodness people like Scottish Fox wanted to use for their opinions. I'm only noting it because SF was banned (so I'm not calling him out personally, but his reference), and because I find the conservative 'faux counterculture against the outrageous left' grift of people like Tim Pool and Crowder reprehensible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, TrickstaPriest said: Just felt like reminding people who honest-to-goodness people like Scottish Fox wanted to use for their opinions. I'm only noting it because SF was banned (so I'm not calling him out personally, but his reference), and because I find the conservative 'faux counterculture against the outrageous left' grift of people like Tim Pool and Crowder reprehensible. I have no problem with that cartoon being posted. Ignorance is NOT bliss; we need to know scumbags exist from time to time. NOT very often, but you already know that so I'm not worried. But we can't live in ignorance that vicious little sociopaths are out there. I'll also say that while, yes, I'm on FB...I limit myself to groups linked to particular authors I like. I was on Twitter for a VERY short time...but that was very limited, and didn't last. Never huge on YouTube...Beau from time to time, from this thread; music-related videos a lot. (Flash concerts are fun. So is Beat Saber stuff, in small doses anyway.) But these are also home to some really disgusting stuff. It's nothing new. I go back to the alt. newsgroups, and the groups where the flame wars rose to fighter-jet afterburner levels. So it isn't anything new per se; it is, tho, far more pervasive. Ask me if I think FB and Twitter are a net plus or a net minus...let me get back to you, I have to think about it. A lot. It's NOT clear, either way.... TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, unclevlad said: I have no problem with that cartoon being posted. Ignorance is NOT bliss; we need to know scumbags exist from time to time. NOT very often, but you already know that so I'm not worried. But we can't live in ignorance that vicious little sociopaths are out there. Yes, that's why I venture into conservative forums on a semi regular basis to try (and fail) to understand how they think. As it stands, right now there's a split--sane conservatives who have accepted the outcome of the election and have finally become disgusted with the seditious antics of Trump and his supporters, and the ones who are ride-or-die for Trump who eat up conspiracy theories like the above cartoon while refusing to state that the Georgia recording is anything other than a hoax. Many of the latter don't actually believe the conspiracies, and are perfectly aware of how awful their leader is. But they don't care because their hatred of minorities and libruls outweighs even their own self interest. So they play along. TrickstaPriest and Sociotard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 I've got a great-niece who was graduated out of nursing school early during the spring so she could go to work during the COVID crisis. For months she's been sitting with 2-3 COVID patients a day as they expire. I've got a thick hide when it comes to death and grief. But I don't know if I could do that. wcw43921 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarretWallace Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Mr. Pool should be forced to work in a Covid ward for a few weeks, but that's just me. It just might open his eyes a little. Then again, medical staff have enough plagues to deal with that maybe adding Pool isn't worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Democrats ask FBI Director Wray to open criminal probe into Trump after leaked phone call Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 If any Republicans care a whit about their legacy, they should remember that these details, and how they responded to them, are going into the historical record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 aylwin13, Matt the Bruins, Ternaugh and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lord Liaden Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 I believe Trump knew he was deliberately lying, at first. But with his repeated lies constantly reinforced over years by his cultists and sycophants and extremist pundits, he became convinced it was all real. The con man conned himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: If any Republicans care a whit about their legacy, they should remember that these details, and how they responded to them, are going into the historical record. Perdue is apparently whining about the call being leaked -- but not the contents of the call. 🤬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 Can't you spare a vote or two for the President? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Ragitsu said: Can't you spare a vote or two for the President? Is that like "Toss a Coin to Your Witcher"? Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 We in other countries generally respected the office of POTUS, if not always its occupant. I'm afraid Trump has changed that. For someone like Trump to have held it for four years, and then almost get reelected, and now making it an even greater farce... I'm sorry, but we just can't esteem the office in the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: We in other countries generally respected the office of POTUS, if not always its occupant. I'm afraid Trump has changed that. For someone like Trump to have held it for four years, and then almost get reelected, and now making it an even greater farce... I'm sorry, but we just can't esteem the office in the same way. At this point, he'd be happy to accept Canadian votes. Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted January 4, 2021 Report Share Posted January 4, 2021 On 1/1/2021 at 7:34 PM, BoloOfEarth said: Thank yew, folks, they'll be here all week. Try the veal, and don't forget to tip your waitresses! ...but not too far, because we don't want them falling over and injuring themselves. BoloOfEarth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: If any Republicans care a whit about their legacy, they should remember that these details, and how they responded to them, are going into the historical record. No, they should remember that history is written by the victors, so they'd better win at any cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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