unclevlad Posted April 2, 2023 Report Share Posted April 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, Iuz the Evil said: Not a ton of space for moderate positions in public discourse these days. +100 The space between the positions is also filled with soundproofing materials, that doesn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted April 2, 2023 Report Share Posted April 2, 2023 https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=555017716188991&set=a.251561316534634 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 6 hours ago, unclevlad said: I'm not positing either side of teacher effectiveness. My point is, the Republicans want THAT to be the topic of debate...not gun control. The gun control advocates can't win when the agenda item isn't even on the table, and deflection is a means to do that. I'm not seeing it, but thanks for clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 Marjorie Taylor Greene was on 60 Minutes tonight, and I'm sorry to say she owned interviewer Leslie Stahl. Or at least, I thought Stahl was notably inept. For instance: When Greene repeated the stock line that "Washington doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem," Stahl called it out as glib -- but failed to ask the blazingly obvious question, "So what spending should be cut? Be specific." Green claimed maybe she hadn't really said outrageous things she's well known to have said. Stahl said the show had fact-checked that yes, she had. But she didn't pull out documentation or film clips of Greene, confronting her with proof. She let Greene huff about well, fact checking, are you going to fact check everything she ever said back to kindergarten? As my sister noted, it's a classic propaganda/disinformation technique to respond to challenges by puffing the challenge to absurdity. It's not that Greene is a brilliant rhetorician. But Stahl didn't seem to have the chops to handle her. Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 Journalism reminds me of that scene from The Princess Bride: It's mostly dead. It may be a little bit alive . . . but it's mostly dead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 It's rather healthier in free countries outside of the United States, at least those not dominated by Rupert Murdoch. Although public skepticism toward journalists seems to be trending everywhere now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 The cynic in me wonders/fears if CBS higher-ups ordered Stahl to give her only softball questions. Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 Ex-chancellor Nigel Lawson dies aged 91 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65167914 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 I'm having difficulty confirming this. Amusing if true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 Well, Russia's army keeps moving farther and farther back in history. I wonder if we'll see Cossack cavalry at the front before this is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 19 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: Well, Russia's army keeps moving farther and farther back in history. I wonder if we'll see Cossack cavalry at the front before this is over. I’ve already seen drone footage of one orc armed with a stick. He didn’t make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted April 3, 2023 Report Share Posted April 3, 2023 The drone or the orc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 Well, I don’t usually refer to inanimate objects using gendered pronouns. Pretty sure the stick was unharmed though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 Looks like MEAT's back on the menu, comerades! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: Well, Russia's army keeps moving farther and farther back in history. I wonder if we'll see Cossack cavalry at the front before this is over. If so, they might be Ukrainian... Cossacks - Wikipedia Interesting note from the introductory text: Quote The Cossacks[a] are a predominantly East Slavic Orthodox Christian people originating in the Pontic–Caspian steppe of Ukraine and southern Russia.[1][2][3] Historically, they were a semi-nomadic and semi-militarized people, who, while under the nominal suzerainty of various Eastern European states at the time, were allowed a great degree of self-governance in exchange for military service. Although numerous linguistic and religious groups came together to form the Cossacks, most of them coalesced and became East Slavic-speaking Orthodox Christians. The Cossacks were particularly noted for holding democratic traditions. [emphasis mine] Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 NATO now surrounds a peace loving country.... that is, Sweden Finland has joined NATO https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-set-join-nato-historic-shift-while-sweden-waits-2023-04-04/ Sweden is trying to join too so , which is good, then it won't be surrounded Pattern Ghost, Iuz the Evil and Cygnia 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 Eh, we're alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 12:52 AM, DShomshak said: Marjorie Taylor Greene was on 60 Minutes tonight, and I'm sorry to say she owned interviewer Leslie Stahl. Or at least, I thought Stahl was notably inept. For instance: When Greene repeated the stock line that "Washington doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem," Stahl called it out as glib -- but failed to ask the blazingly obvious question, "So what spending should be cut? Be specific." Green claimed maybe she hadn't really said outrageous things she's well known to have said. Stahl said the show had fact-checked that yes, she had. But she didn't pull out documentation or film clips of Greene, confronting her with proof. She let Greene huff about well, fact checking, are you going to fact check everything she ever said back to kindergarten? As my sister noted, it's a classic propaganda/disinformation technique to respond to challenges by puffing the challenge to absurdity. It's not that Greene is a brilliant rhetorician. But Stahl didn't seem to have the chops to handle her. Dean Shomshak Yeah...Stahl could have (and should have) torn her a new one. You need to challenge them on their BS at all times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 She got called out today. This clip does include a portion of the interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 Tennessee GOP retaliates against Dem lawmakers for protesting gun inaction Hermit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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unclevlad Posted April 4, 2023 Report Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 hour ago, Cygnia said: Tennessee GOP retaliates against Dem lawmakers for protesting gun inaction It gets worse. Not just committee assignments. https://wpln.org/post/republicans-bar-three-democrats-from-committees-following-their-gun-control-protest-on-tennessee-house-floor/ If the Republicans oust them, I have to think this'll go to the state Supreme Court, because this feels utterly unjustified. It shows, tho, that at least here, at least some of the Republicans don't care about democracy. tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 Liberals will win control of Wisconsin's Supreme Court unclevlad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 My hope is that the extreme moves in multiple states start triggering a backlash. MAYBE, just maybe, this vote in Wisconsin is a sign of that. I can't put too much weight *yet* on the Trump candidates losing, as so many of them were terrible candidates. This is a rather more focused test case...but only one case. tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted April 5, 2023 Report Share Posted April 5, 2023 Another victory for progressives, this time in Chicago's mayoral race Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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