Lord Liaden Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 Public opinion overall always evolves ahead of the law. Law plays catchup after what society accepts has progressed. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 I generally agree with that, and sometimes the law corrects injustice when public opinion has not gone far enough. But mostly the playing catch up. Today’s ruling isn’t much of an issue in California. It’s already illegal to consider race, ethnicity or sex in admissions here for public universities due to proposition 209. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) How about what big business thinks of affirmative action in college admissions? Y'know, the people whom conservatives supposedly love, admire, and pander to. First story on today's ep of Marketplace says bug business is just fine with affirmative action in colleges. Dozens of companies, such as Apple and Proctor & Gamble, signed an amicus letter asking the SCOTUS to keep affirmative action. And no, it's not because they've developed a social conscience. No, it's business. Cold, hard, calculating greed. Diversity is profitable. https://www.marketplace.org/shows/marketplace/the-business-impact-of-todays-affirmative-action-ruling/ In similar vein, one of the business columnists in The Economist reported on the effect of laws that ban state pension funds from investing in any company that claims to adopt environmental, social, and governance (ESG) goals in its practices, and investment firms that reject such companies. The result is higher fees for investors and, therefore, lower returns overall. For a private investor, so what? If you want only to invest in ostentatiously asocial companies, it's your money. Or only companies run by Evangelicals, or Hindu Brahmins, or only firms whose names start with J. Whatever. But state governments aren't investing their own money. It's the state employees' money, or taxpayer money, and the fiduciary duty is to seek highest returns and lowest fees, not culture-war peacocking. "Shun Woke, Go Broke." https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2023/03/02/the-anti-esg-industry-is-taking-investors-for-a-ride It's a different world. Smart business executives accept this. Though Vivek Ramaswamy seems to be cleaning up with his "Anti-Woke" brand, even if his investors might not be... Dean Shomshak Edited June 30, 2023 by DShomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, DShomshak said: bug business is just fine with affirmative action in colleges Life on a cricket ranch is tough, so it doesn't pay to nitpick over such things. Bug businesses appreciate getting candidates who are willing to do hard work. 😁 Edited June 30, 2023 by Pattern Ghost Starlord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 Well, can't say we didn't expect it, but still... SCOTUS backs a business saying "go somewhere else" rather than back a message they disagree with, meaning laws barring discrimination against gay people are nullified. It's nuanced...from NYT: Quote The 6-to-3 ruling handed down on Friday turned on the First Amendment. Because the designer, Lorie Smith, opposes same-sex marriage, the majority said, the state cannot compel her to make sites implicitly endorsing such unions’ legitimacy as a condition of getting into the general wedding website business. But at an earlier stage of the litigation, both sides stipulated that the graphic and website design services Ms. Smith provides are “expressive,” according to the majority opinion, written by Justice Neil M. Gorsuch. The ruling leaves unanswered what other services related to marriages — like printing invitations, photographing a ceremony, providing flower arrangements, catering food, bartending or renting out space — qualify as expressive enough to allow their providers to refuse to serve L.G.B.T.Q. couples under the First Amendment. Even if it's narrowly applicable now, tho, we know the religious right will make every effort to expand it. Dr. MID-Nite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 42 minutes ago, unclevlad said: Well, can't say we didn't expect it, but still... SCOTUS backs a business saying "go somewhere else" rather than back a message they disagree with, meaning laws barring discrimination against gay people are nullified. It's nuanced...from NYT: Even if it's narrowly applicable now, tho, we know the religious right will make every effort to expand it. The best part about this case is that the plaintiff was never actually asked to design a LGBT website in the first place. The case is entirely theoretical. The second best part about this case is that it is now totally unclear when businesses are "allowed" to discriminate against protected classes of people, especially in light of the recent affirmative action case. The third best part is that the ruling might allow discrimination against MAGAs. Dr. MID-Nite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted June 30, 2023 Report Share Posted June 30, 2023 Just in my inbox, from NYT: Fox News settles with Abby Grossberg over her hostile workplace suit. $12 million. Old Man and Lawnmower Boy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 5 hours ago, unclevlad said: Well, can't say we didn't expect it, but still... SCOTUS backs a business saying "go somewhere else" rather than back a message they disagree with, meaning laws barring discrimination against gay people are nullified. It's nuanced...from NYT: Even if it's narrowly applicable now, tho, we know the religious right will make every effort to expand it. Great way to end Pride month. I'm just....disgusted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 1, 2023 Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 And we're going to have to live with the Court being like this for far too long. If anything, while Thomas and Alito are the 2 oldest, and most extreme, members, what we've seen is that the Republicans have no reservation about ensuring the Court remains firmly in their grasp by manipulating the nomination/confirmation process to suit their goals. Simon's plan to go ex-pat is gaining more appeal. Going back to that...the Albertson's I was at today, not my usual, and often a bit of a step down from it...did have Angel's Envy Port Cask, in the locked cabinet. I passed. I'll be at the usual one Monday, I'll see what they have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Florida bill allowing radioactive roads made of potentially cancer-causing mining waste signed by DeSantis Logan D. Hurricanes and BarretWallace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cygnia said: Florida bill allowing radioactive roads made of potentially cancer-causing mining waste signed by DeSantis This seems low...even for Desantis. I'm already boycotting Florida, but I feel bad for the citizens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Gods, I hate it here. Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Radioactive roads sounds like something from a Mad Max movie.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 Lord Kerslake dies aged 68 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66080174 One of the reasons I was made redundant so posted here as it is political. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Cygnia said: Florida bill allowing radioactive roads made of potentially cancer-causing mining waste signed by DeSantis Are we sure DeSantis is even smart enough to realize what the problem with phosphogypsum might be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 For election workers, Trump's lies have meant threats, harassment and a poisoned dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 4 hours ago, unclevlad said: Are we sure DeSantis is even smart enough to realize what the problem with phosphogypsum might be? He's smart enough to realize who signs the donation checks. https://www.tampabay.com/news/environment/2023/06/14/florida-lawmaker-sponsored-radioactive-roads-bill-mosaic-threw-him-fundraiser/ Iuz the Evil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 Sure he is, he’s a politician. That’s what they do. I always assume a financial motivation, and am so rarely not finding that to be the case it’s doesn’t bear consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Boy Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 On 6/30/2023 at 1:30 PM, unclevlad said: Just in my inbox, from NYT: Fox News settles with Abby Grossberg over her hostile workplace suit. $12 million. Oh, $12 million is obviously just a nuisance settlement. Nothing to see here. Everything is fine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66084677.amp Meanwhile, in France… dang! That’s pretty intense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 And the rioters are being written off as "radicals" and "criminals." It sounds like the official government position is going to go back to the myth that all French citizens are equally French, and continue to ignore the real financial and social inequalities between ethnicities that helped fuel these riots. Regimes around the world need to accept that pretending your society is perfect when and where it isn't, always blows up in your face eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted July 4, 2023 Report Share Posted July 4, 2023 (edited) https://www.politico.eu/article/france-riots-politics-boy-shot-dead-by-police/amp/ Interesting article on the French riots from Politico. “But this remains largely an insurrection without aims: a scream of fury, an anarchic rejection of even local forms of government; an act of gang-warfare writ large; a competition in performative destruction between disaffected young men in suburbs and towns across France.” Edited July 4, 2023 by Iuz the Evil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 5, 2023 Report Share Posted July 5, 2023 Legal expert points to 'red flag' that could get Judge Cannon booted from Trump case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted July 6, 2023 Report Share Posted July 6, 2023 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/philadelphia-mass-shooting-alleged-gunman-charges_n_64a5fd94e4b0e87d65520df1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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