sinanju Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 I was pretty disappointed with The Flash season opener. After all the build-up about Flashpoint!!!!! I expected it to last a while, maybe all season, and to see Barry living with--or learning to live with--the ramifications (for good or ill) of his decision to change the timeline so drastically. There was a LOT of potential there. I expected (or perhaps only WANTED) to see Barry dealing with a whole lifetime "he" had lived that he had no memory of, because he still remembers only what happened in the timeline he changed. Yes, his parents are alive. But what if he had a sibling (or siblings) he didn't recognize and knew nothing about? A whole different set of friends and co-workers he didn't remember? What if he'd gone into a whole different line of work because he didn't grow up with the unsolved (in his mind) murder of his mother to drive him toward criminology? Everyone would wonder about him and why he's developed such complete amnesia for his past (and worry even more if they realize he remembers a whole different life that none of them recognize). Someone could have tried to investigate? What if they'd found that poor man crazy old Barry was holding captive--and released him without Barry knowing (for a while)? Instead we get the merest hint of all this, and it's over by the end of the episode. Disappointing. Very disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 10, 2016 Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 I don't think it's quite over yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Good episode overall, but I agree I feel like they could've made the concept last more than a single episode before returning to Status Quo Ante. Put some facilities in those cells, Glad I'm not the only one that bugs. The point of doing Flashpoint is to bring Laurel Lance back over on Arrow. Nope. As of the Arrow Season 1 opener, she's still dead. (At least officially; I'm still not ruling out shenanigans.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 11, 2016 Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Good episode overall, but I agree I feel like they could've made the concept last more than a single episode before returning to Status Quo Ante. I think the status is not quo. Flashpoint isn't done playing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Is he killing people off this season? Or is the trailer just misleading? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I think the status is not quo. Hence "Ante." Obviously the world isn't completely back to Season 2 Normal; we'll see how far they're going to go with that. But Dr. Horrible references are never not awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Watched episode 2 tonight. Seems like Barry's dropping the matter, but the new villain seems to know something. I'm wondering how big of an impact the timeline changes are going to have throughout the season. Seems like they could go with anything from largely inconsequential characterization changes to building up for a major reveal at the season climax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Sad Cisco was a truly depressing thing to see. And Felicity is right. Barry really is like pudding. Or maybe pie. I wonder if changing his timeline would have mild reverberations across other alternate Earths, through the people from those alt-Earths he's interacted with in his past (Harrison Wells, Jay Garrick, etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 What I took from the first episode of this season (haven't seen #2 yet) is that time travel is only allowed to make Barry's life worse. He can never improve his situation, not even a little bit, or fate will come along and pimpslap him for even trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Pretty much sums it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Well time travel work out alright for the villains... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 What Barry's done so far is nothing compared to the chaos unleashed over on Legends of Tomorrow. You'd think they'd have screwed stuff up even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 What I took from the first episode of this season (haven't seen #2 yet) is that time travel is only allowed to make Barry's life worse. He can never improve his situation, not even a little bit, or fate will come along and pimpslap him for even trying. In Ep2, they even make a halfway-plausible explanation* for why that's so. * Grading on comic-book-plausibility scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 What Barry's done so far is nothing compared to the chaos unleashed over on Legends of Tomorrow. You'd think they'd have screwed stuff up even worse. I imagine Barry's method of time travel packs a lot more of a 'brute force' approach than the time ships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted October 14, 2016 Report Share Posted October 14, 2016 What Barry's done so far is nothing compared to the chaos unleashed over on Legends of Tomorrow. You'd think they'd have screwed stuff up even worse. Yes but they have a gen-yoo-ine Time Lord Master and a talking computer to limit the damage or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Last night's episode would have been the perfect time for a Supergirl cameo. Countdown in episodes to Wally hearing Alchemy's voice? I give it two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 So did Flashpoint erase Maxwell Lord from Supergirl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 One good thing came from it then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinanju Posted October 20, 2016 Report Share Posted October 20, 2016 So did Flashpoint erase Maxwell Lord from Supergirl? Martian Manhunter is masquerading as Maxwell Lord after the real Lord's untimely...accident. Since we see him a lot as Hank or Martian Manhunter, he hasn't had a lot of screentime as Max yet. In other news, Lord Industries has become much more cooperative with the authorities of late. (Hey, MM already has a well-known secret identity (well known to our heroes, anyhow). Nobody would ever suspect he has another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 BTW, did anyone else just assume that Barry wasn't the only CSI in the entire City for years until they made a big deal out of hiring a 2nd one? I mean he didn't always have superspeed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 BTW, did anyone else just assume that Barry wasn't the only CSI in the entire City for years until they made a big deal out of hiring a 2nd one? I mean he didn't always have superspeed... Budget issues. One day, they'll be able to afford a second precinct house, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 I'm on Joe and Barry's side on this whole PDA thing. It is awkward. Perhaps because I've never been sold on the chemistry between the two actors in the first place. Mirror Master was pretty cool, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankL Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Agreed. "Dad knows we're dating" and "Dad wants to see us kissing" are two whole different worlds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 I wasn't sold on the whole Barry-Iris romance initially, but I feel like I'm getting there. Mirror Master was fun. Top was okay, tho that's Sisko's worst name yet. Hipster Welles was hysterical and I can't wait to see more of him! I'm looking forward to seeing more of Killer Frost too, tho I'm not clear how she got her powers without Alchemy's involvement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Martian Manhunter is masquerading as Maxwell Lord after the real Lord's untimely...accident. Since we see him a lot as Hank or Martian Manhunter, he hasn't had a lot of screentime as Max yet. In other news, Lord Industries has become much more cooperative with the authorities of late. (Hey, MM already has a well-known secret identity (well known to our heroes, anyhow). Nobody would ever suspect he has another. Reminds me of Senator Kelly in X-Men after Mystique took his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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