zslane Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Isn't Shiang Chi supposed to be in this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Indeed, "rich kid returns" and "the Chosen" are pretty much staples of the genre. Like "murdered parents" and "bad person seeks redemption." Comics would be pretty thin if everyone with those origins was eliminated. Pattern Ghost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted February 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 "Rich kid returns" is modern version of The Hero's Journey, and has hallmarks of a Bildungsroman, except for the age thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Disney will be able to finance their Marvel TV shows just from the sale of Baby Groot merchandise. Twilight, Lord Mhoram, Christopher R Taylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 I'd love Shang Chi to put in an appearance, but he'd make Daredevil and Iron Fist combined look like a paraplegic rabbit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Yeah, I guess it was just an unsubstantiated rumor back in March of last year. Oh well, woulda been very cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdamnhero Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 "Rich kid returns" is modern version of The Hero's Journey, and has hallmarks of a Bildungsroman, except for the age thing. I think there's also the issue that we like to see rich characters because they're glamorous and can afford cool toys and can travel to cool places where they can look cool and glamorous. Plus, in the words of PS238's The Revenant: "Access to large amounts of cash is the greatest superpower of all." But we don't necessarily like rich kids, because we associate that with being spoiled and having everything handed to you. So having someone who was born rich, but raised poor, struggled etc, and then had a big company handed to them lets you have it both ways. Hermit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Wow, I really wish they hadn't done the "Rich kid leaves and suddenly reappears to run his company" story. Again. This is getting to be more of a cliche than The Chosen One. It is good to see Mantis though. I wonder how they're going to depict her fighting skills because she is insanely capable. Mantis is in GOTG2. The asian woman in Iron Fist is Colleen Wing, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 Yeah I guess that wasn't formatted very well, was meant to be a comment about each trailer not one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted February 8, 2017 Report Share Posted February 8, 2017 I think there's also the issue that we like to see rich characters because they're glamorous and can afford cool toys and can travel to cool places where they can look cool and glamorous. Plus, in the words of PS238's The Revenant: "Access to large amounts of cash is the greatest superpower of all." But we don't necessarily like rich kids, because we associate that with being spoiled and having everything handed to you. So having someone who was born rich, but raised poor, struggled etc, and then had a big company handed to them lets you have it both ways. This is a very good point. Best of both worlds...from a tropes kind of thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Wow, I really wish they hadn't done the "Rich kid leaves and suddenly reappears to run his company" story. Again. It is good to see Mantis though. I wonder how they're going to depict her fighting skills because she is insanely capable. Yeah, she totally is. Grandmaster Martial Artist who has stood toe to toe with Captain America & Thor and won. I hope she's not just the plucky comic relief. Cool character, with weird powers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted February 9, 2017 Report Share Posted February 9, 2017 Well, Drax seems to like her...that's good enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 massey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Totally on board with this since Thanos first made his surprise appearance at the end of Avengers. No cinematic series has been so grand, so epic, so visionary. What Marvel did 10 years ago was unprecedented, to tie is individual film series together and now it all sets to pay off. Basically all the fan favourites are back, IN ONE MOVIE! Tony, Bruce, Thor, Steve, Natasha, Clint, Nick Fury, Rhoady (maybe), Bucky, Sam Wilson, Wanda, Vision, Scott Lang, T'Challa, Sharon Carter (unlikely), Stephen Strange, Peter Parker, Peter Quill, Gamora, Drax, Rocket, Baby Groot...and more. This film is worthy. ( ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted February 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 'Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2' Scores Extremely Rare 100 in Test Screening (Exclusive) http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/guardians-galaxy-vol-2-scores-extremely-rare-100-test-screening-974277 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Iron Man 3 scored in the high 90s?? Yuck. Did they get their screeners from 'Marvel Lemmings R' Us'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 It will be interesting to see if there is any dip in audience interest or box office performance after phase 3 is over. It seems to me there will be a huge sense of, "Okay, what now?" lingering over the franchise. Yeah, I know that they're continually introducing new characters in an effort to keep the train running, but will characters like Winter Soldier, Ant-Man, Black Panther, Scarlet Witch, Vision, and Capt. Marvel have the same audience pull as the original Avengers? I guess only time will tell. But following up on the success of phases 1-3 will be a tall order. That will be the true test of their genius, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 They've busted out all their A-List characters, now its a question if they can get the rest to be exciting. I mean, nobody has done the Fantastic Four right, and I'd argue the X-Men could be done much better, but those are out of their stable for now because of poor decision making early on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Walsh Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Are they A-list characters? I remember when they started this up, people were saying that their A-list characters were all leased out and that they were having to work with the b-listers like Iron Man and Hulk instead. Regardless, I think they've shown with the Netflix series that they can do just fine with relatively unknown characters like Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. At this point, "Marvel" is the only star they need. drunkonduty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Are they A-list characters? I remember when they started this up, people were saying that their A-list characters were all leased out and that they were having to work with the b-listers like Iron Man and Hulk instead. Regardless, I think they've shown with the Netflix series that they can do just fine with relatively unknown characters like Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. At this point, "Marvel" is the only star they need. Yeah, Iron Man was not exactly a household name for the mainstream public before the movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Hulk was a b-lister? Don't tell him that. I'd say that the late-70s/early-80s TV show made Hulk more recognizable to the general public than, say, Captain America or Thor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 There's a difference between what comics fans would categorize as "B-list" characters, versus movie fans. Even for Marvel movie fans, the first is only a small subset of the second. Very few comics readers would have categorized Thor, or Black Panther, or Dr. Strange as B-listers; but before their movies they had little recognition among the wider viewing public. A really good Marvel movie can turn almost any of their characters into A-listers. Look at the Guardians of the Galaxy, for heaven's sake. Even for comics fans they were a marginal title -- now Rocket Racoon is almost as recognized as Mickey Mouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 In terms of household names prior to 1998, Marvel really only had Spider-Man. Maybe you could put Hulk and Capt. America on that list (Hulk because of the tv show, and Cap because, well, everyone knows Capt. America). Sony has/had the rights to Spider-Man tied up, so that left Marvel with the original Avengers to pull from as their marquee characters: Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, and Capt. America. Those are Marvel's A-listers from the comics, and so it naturally follows that they would become their A-listers for the movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 A really good Marvel movie can turn almost any of their characters into A-listers. Look at the Guardians of the Galaxy, for heaven's sake. Even for comics fans they were a marginal title -- now Rocket Racoon is almost as recognized as Mickey Mouse. Agree completely. Bear in mind that so far Marvel has succeeded with the first of each thing they introduced. The first Avengers line-up. The first space opera sub-franchise. The first Netflix team. What typically happens is that audiences get stuck on the "originals" and tend to look less favorably on the second-stringers. The follow-on characters/franchises. It is hard for a lot of folks to transfer their loyalties over to another character (or set of characters). So the big question standing before Marvel is whether or not they can achieve significant audience transfer from the first set of characters to the next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Walsh Posted February 11, 2017 Report Share Posted February 11, 2017 Let's not forget Captain America had some TV movies in the late 70s that kept him in the popular consciousness. Well, maybe not that last. But he had a some TV movies! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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