Matt the Bruins Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 13 hours ago, Ragitsu said: Why is THE doctor not allowed to speak on medical matters? Why is the President suddenly a medicine pimp? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.html Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cowan Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 https://www.yahoo.com/news/swept-fema-complicated-medical-supply-122543365.html Hmm, that works, maybe not Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 A detailed rundown on the causes of the PPE shortage in the US Follow the money. Tom Cowan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Matt the Bruins said: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/06/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-malaria-drug.html Thank you. It is disheartening (to me, anyhow) when a family member starts taking after Trump by inflating the efficacy of this drug. I have to remind them that we must live our lives as though no effective medical solution exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishFox Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Ragitsu said: Thank you. It is disheartening (to me, anyhow) when a family member starts taking after Trump by inflating the efficacy of this drug. I have to remind them that we must live our lives as though no effective medical solution exists. There are many doctors saying the drug is the best bet we have short term. https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25203/20200404/drug-voted-effective-coronavirus-cure-possible-6-000-doctors.htm And because that article is responsibly written it comes with Not a Miracle Cure The drug is not a miracle cure, says Dr. Ellie Cannon, a N.H.S. G.P. and Mail on Sunday health columnist. She urges everyone to stop thinking that hydroxychloroquine is the magic bullet until the drug is indeed proven to be the magic bullet. I'm still at the "I hope it's going to be useful" stage because many of the other options aren't going to be viable for months plus or minus the convalescent antibody treatments which I don't think are allowed yet. I saw a doctor from LA talk to a news channel and suggest that the treatment has to be combined with Zinc or it does almost nothing. Hopefully the consensus with supporting data will coalesce quickly and people won't trust politicians for their medical advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 Trump is talking out of turn again about things he doesn't understand, giving people misleading advice. In this case that could actually cause deaths rather than prevent them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 These press conferences offer an inside look at how every meeting with Trump probably goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 7, 2020 Report Share Posted April 7, 2020 Remember the good old days back when Trump refused to hold any press conferences at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 Trump considering suspending funding to WHO "They missed the call. They could have called it months earlier. They would have known and they should have known and they probably did know," Trump told reporters at a White House press briefing, suggesting the WHO failed to sufficiently warn the global community about the virus. Yep, he's settled on a new scapegoat. Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 At least he never got on the "was man-made in gain-of-function experiment and accidentally released" conspiracy theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 The Chinese state-controlled media floated the theory that the virus was deliberately released in Wuhan by the United States to cripple China's economy. I'm sure Trump doesn't want to give that more traction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: Trump considering suspending funding to WHO "They missed the call. They could have called it months earlier. They would have known and they should have known and they probably did know," Trump told reporters at a White House press briefing, suggesting the WHO failed to sufficiently warn the global community about the virus. Yep, he's settled on a new scapegoat. I will say, the ball seemed to be pretty much dropped by pretty much everyone on this. Scapegoats are childish here, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 Trump administration continues to seize hospitals' PPE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, Badger said: I will say, the ball seemed to be pretty much dropped by pretty much everyone on this. Scapegoats are childish here, though. Aside from Trump acting childish as a matter of course, it's always his reflex to shift any hint of blame away from himself and onto someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 hours ago, ScottishFox said: There are many doctors saying the drug is the best bet we have short term. https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/25203/20200404/drug-voted-effective-coronavirus-cure-possible-6-000-doctors.htm And because that article is responsibly written it comes with Not a Miracle Cure The drug is not a miracle cure, says Dr. Ellie Cannon, a N.H.S. G.P. and Mail on Sunday health columnist. She urges everyone to stop thinking that hydroxychloroquine is the magic bullet until the drug is indeed proven to be the magic bullet. I'm still at the "I hope it's going to be useful" stage because many of the other options aren't going to be viable for months plus or minus the convalescent antibody treatments which I don't think are allowed yet. I saw a doctor from LA talk to a news channel and suggest that the treatment has to be combined with Zinc or it does almost nothing. Hopefully the consensus with supporting data will coalesce quickly and people won't trust politicians for their medical advice. I understand the importance of hope. I also understand that this drug is probably the best current bet for those desperate to fight off the virus. What I want is for people to keep vigilant and not let a premature assessment trick them into building a skyscraper on swampland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: Aside from Trump acting childish as a matter of course, it's always his reflex to shift any hint of blame away from himself and onto someone else. Obviously, I know. I am just saying a lot of people tried to ignore this until about mid-Feb at best. So, a lot of blame to shovel around, if we go that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 Hah! Not me, I'm still trying to ignore it! What were we talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armitage Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 12 hours ago, Old Man said: Remember the good old days back when Trump refused to hold any press conferences at all? That was back when he was having political rallies. The press conferences are the only way he can get his attention and admiration fix now. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 What if the President held a press conference and nobody showed up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/08/bernie-sanders-suspends-his-presidential-campaign-175137 Bernie has dropped out. I am very depressed. I think it was the right move, but I'm still bummed about it. Ragitsu and TrickstaPriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hermit said: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/08/bernie-sanders-suspends-his-presidential-campaign-175137 Bernie has dropped out. I am very depressed. I think it was the right move, but I'm still bummed about it. Another victory for arrogance, ignorance and intolerance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 17 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: Trump considering suspending funding to WHO "They missed the call. They could have called it months earlier. They would have known and they should have known and they probably did know," Trump told reporters at a White House press briefing, suggesting the WHO failed to sufficiently warn the global community about the virus. Yep, he's settled on a new scapegoat. As predicted. And, as usual for Trump, a big fat lie. ATC talked about this yesterday. WHO did issue warnings back in January. It's true, they did not use the word "pandemic" -- because at that time, covid-19 wasn't. "Pandemic" doesn't mean "Gosh, this is a dangerous disease." It means "This disease has spread around the world and will affect everyone." (Pan demos, "all people.") Governments disregarded the threat. Trump actively tried to conceal it. Dean Shomshak Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, Ragitsu said: Another victory for arrogance, ignorance and intolerance. I think Bernie has done a lot to push certain causes that we really need. Nothing quite like a Pandemic and mass lay offs to make someone realize universal health care would be really nice.... and while for much of the country it was too late to vote for Bernie, more people will be promoting the ideals he supported than ever. *Knock on wood* Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hermit said: I think Bernie has done a lot to push certain causes that we really need. Nothing quite like a Pandemic and mass lay offs to make someone realize universal health care would be really nice.... and while for much of the country it was too late to vote for Bernie, more people will be promoting the ideals he supported than ever. *Knock on wood* Speaking of which, Andrew Yang promoted universal basic income. It seems as though that program (or something akin to it) will also enjoy greater popularity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Pariah said: What if the President held a press conference and nobody showed up? Unfortunately, the media is too craven to resist the urge to show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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