Doc Democracy Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 8 hours ago, Zeropoint said: What I've heard is that having had COVID-19 provides no immunity to it, and may even make it more likely that the victim will be re-infected. 8 hours ago, Scott Ruggels said: I've heard the same, but cannot confirm. Also rumored that if it doesn't kill you the first time, it will kill you the second time. That makes no sense biologically. So, there is a widespread feature of coronaviruses that immunity gained is not retained (simply because the virus changes its antigens reasonably quickly). As for killing you the second time, if you have had a bad case that leaves your lungs damaged then ANY subsequent respiratory disease is more likely to kill you. Doc Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 55 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: Yeah, that follows Trump's usual decision making process: (1) Make an impulsive public announcement without thinking through the consequences; (2) Hear someone telling him the consequences he should have considered first; (3) Announce that he's changed his mind. (4) Deny that he ever made the original announcement and claim, to the adulation of his fanboys, that he was on top of the situation all along. Lord Liaden and Grailknight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 ...and we got an e-mail from the District this evening asking all teachers to make sure we have an online presence. This is huge. In the eleven years I've worked for this district, we have had exactly one school closure day due to snow. Even when we had a huge storm in February and every other district in the valley closed for the day, we just implemented a shortened school day with a two hour delay for the start of classes. Why? Because there are schools in my district that have 70-80% of their students in federal free and reduced school lunch programs. If schools are closed, a lot of kids are going miss out on the only decent meals they might get that day. So we stay open, even when every other district closes. To even contemplate suspending classes has enormous implications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 The wife's school is suspending classes on Friday to prep for going online. They will resume Monday but who knows after that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Pariah said: ...and we got an e-mail from the District this evening asking all teachers to make sure we have an online presence. This is huge. In the eleven years I've worked for this district, we have had exactly one school closure day due to snow. Even when we had a huge storm in February and every other district in the valley closed for the day, we just implemented a shortened school day with a two hour delay for the start of classes. Why? Because there are schools in my district that have 70-80% of their students in federal free and reduced school lunch programs. If schools are closed, a lot of kids are going miss out on the only decent meals they might get that day. So we stay open, even when every other district closes. To even contemplate suspending classes has enormous implications. There's also the MASSIVE daycare issue that comes from school being out for younger children. Lord Liaden and Pariah 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 Italy has tightened their lockdown even further, now only pharmacies and grocery stores will be open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishFox Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 hours ago, Starlord said: Italy has tightened their lockdown even further, now only pharmacies and grocery stores will be open. Sure hope that involves the supply chain too or the stores and pharmacies will be barren within a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Old Man said: Dow futures plunged over 1000 points after Trump’s attempt to reassure America. Which was so mutton-headed it defies description. I'm not permitted in the political topic, so I'll let that rest for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 Dow didn't drop 1000. Right now (it'd be noon Eastern) it's down close to 2000. Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matt the Bruins Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 What I've read via Harvard Medical is that contracting COVID-19 should provide short-term immunity, but the protection gets less and less effective as the virus mutates and the chance of coming in contact with a different strain increases over time. So, like the flu. Lord Liaden and unclevlad 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hopcroft Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 Which does kill people who have vulnerabilities that compromise their immune systems. I mentioned sports. Well, Major League Soccer is suspending their season for 30 days after only two matchdays, This may affect the home schedule for the Portland Timbers, who are almost a religion for many in Portland. On m way to work yesterday, I thought I was coming down with something, but when I got to work I was just fine. One of our tax preparers had something similar happen. In retrospect, I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 Italy with 2600 new cases and 190 deaths just today. They're streaking way ahead of Iran and South Korea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 I do NOT expect the NCAA basketball tournament to be played, at least at this time. It might be possible to postpone it for a few weeks to start with, but I have no confidence it will start next week. And BOOM The next BIG SHOE just dropped. MLB has suspended spring training. I expected this; with teams often clustered fairly close to each other, you have to feel that the risk was exceptionally high, that multiple teams could be affected. But this will inevitably force the season start to be delayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, unclevlad said: I do NOT expect the NCAA basketball tournament to be played, at least at this time. Probably, but never underestimate the greed and ignorance of NCAA President Mark Emmert. Cancer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 NHL just suspended their season. Which makes it all the big sports. Emmert will have no choice. Been watching ESPN all morning...players were VERY concerned. And you've got schools shutting down classes, suspending activities...there are too many pressures to shut it down. EDIT: Duke University has completely shut down ALL athletic activities, including practice and travel. And yes, they said this does include playing in the NCAA tournament. They won't go. Kansas and Arizona State have suspended activities, but the additional "no, we won't play" wasn't mentioned. Yet. EDIT 2: yes, just saw Kansas is suspending competition as well. That's, what, a #1 and a #2 seed saying, no, we will not participate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 BTW, most probably know the World Health Organization declared a pandemic. I don't think a lot of people really understood what that meant; it's just a word. But...this was part of it. Quote The announcement came after the World Health Organization declared the virus a pandemic, saying the number of affected countries tripled in two weeks, with more than 118,000 cases and 4,290 deaths worldwide. It's that number of countries that's such a concern. It's NOT isolated to Wuhan, to Italy; it is showing up everywhere. It's in 44 states; 3 just popped up in New Mexico. So, you can't just say "don't go here"...the risk is spreading. And that's why large gatherings are such a bad idea; one case can explode into dozens of cases, and by the time it's recognized...who knows how many more. Starlord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 ...and we had an emergency meeting at lunch today. We've been advised to start thinking about how we might implement distance learning methods individually and as departments. My children's school district is going to optional attendance starting tomorrow morning. The Governor is giving a press conference right now. I haven't seen any of it yet because I've been in class, so we'll see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 Good luck, Pariah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, unclevlad said: It's that number of countries that's such a concern. It's NOT isolated to Wuhan, to Italy; it is showing up everywhere. It's in 44 states; 3 just popped up in New Mexico. So, you can't just say "don't go here"...the risk is spreading. And that's why large gatherings are such a bad idea; one case can explode into dozens of cases, and by the time it's recognized...who knows how many more. ...and you have to mitigate massive spikes in cases, otherwise healthcare facilities and workers get overloaded or you have medication shortages in certain areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 Ohio Governor just declared 3 week spring break starting Monday. We're lucky the wife is a teacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 The university where I am both a Master's student and an employee for the high school outreach program has just announced that it is going completely online for the remainder of spring semester (until April 30th). The outreach program is a supplemental lab course for AP Chemistry, so I'm not sure exactly how that's going to work. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPMiller Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 So I'm back from my trip to Chattanooga by way of O'Hare airport. I could write up a couple paragraphs of what I saw from the laughable over reactions to the downright "This is all a hoax" comments. I am happy to report that at the time of this posting, I have no flu like symptoms. I will be going to LA next week to a hospital, so I'll once again be venturing right into the mouth of the lion. Meanwhile, we have hospitals all over the country cancelling our onsite engagements and asking that all work be done remotely, which thankfully is a piece of cake for most of our implementations. Also, my company like others are offering free temporary use of our software to allow for remote work. I've seen a handful of other companies doing the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 There are definitely overreactions. In my local Nextdoor group, someone posted that she was in Sam's Club, and people were buying up multiple cases of water, and they'd pretty much sold out of TP. We have no cases at this time; it's one small advantage of being somewhat isolated and rural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted March 12, 2020 Report Share Posted March 12, 2020 Found this useful link that tracks the trajectory of each outbreak by country. Note logarithmic scale. The good news is that the U.S. case trajectory is not as bad as Italy's. The bad news is that the U.S. is hardly testing anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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