Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase Three and BEYOOOOONND

[Bazza]

 

[Bazza]

 

[Bazza]

 

[Bazza]

 

[Christopher R Taylor]

Forever!  Except not with the characters you actually liked and wanted to see films about.

[Bazza]

[death tribble]

So how do we integrate Wonder Woman and Aquaman into the Marvel Universe ?

Because the Batman and Superman films of late just don't work

[slikmar]

MONKEY MONKEY MONKEY

Rasslor: Incredible. I could crush your body, I could smash your bones, but I could never break your spirit. You are a marvel little monkey. Any world that could spawn one as noble as you is truly blessed. I SPARE YOUR EARTH!!!

 

[Lord Liaden]

3 hours ago, death tribble said:

So how do we integrate Wonder Woman and Aquaman into the Marvel Universe ?

Because the Batman and Superman films of late just don't work

 

For Aquaman? Just declare that his Atlantean name is "Namor." Done.

[Bazza]

3 hours ago, death tribble said:

So how do we integrate Wonder Woman and Aquaman into the Marvel Universe ?

Because the Batman and Superman films of late just don't work

 

Wonder Woman I presume is easy. Paradise Island just exists in one of the bodies of water near Europe and is veiled by magic. As her film takes place in WW1, that is easy. She stayed hidden during WW2, maybe joining SOE or org before SHIELD. Diana herself is a demigod/god like Thor (same level of power). 

 

Aquaman is slightly tricker as Marvel will want to introduce Namor as the ruler of Atlantis. We could have DC's Atlantis as a different kingdom and give it the new name Atlan, after its first king, or make it Lumeria. This way we get to keep its canon relatively intact. DC Atlantis's history before sinking can be placed before Marvel's Atlantis or at some point to better fit it in with whatever Marvel decides to do with Namor. 

 

So it can can be done. 

[Bazza]

3 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said:

 

For Aquaman? Just declare that his Atlantean name is "Namor." Done.

 

Until Marvel releases a Namor film.   

[Lord Liaden]

23 minutes ago, Bazza said:

 

Until Marvel releases a Namor film.   

 

Since the topic was the hypothetical integration of Aquaman into the MCU, giving him the name means we already have a Namor film. Which made over a billion dollars. I like the Sub-Mariner, but if Marvel could get Arthur Curry I wouldn't blame anyone for saying Namor McKenzie can suck brine.

[drunkonduty]

1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said:

 

For Aquaman? Just declare that his Atlantean name is "Namor." Done.

 

Finally saw Aquaman on the weekend. (Well, most of it. Switched off in the middle of the climactic fight. Not a good movie. I like Jason Momoa but he keeps showing up in total dogs. This. Conan. Blerrgh.)

 

Anyhoo... not that familiar with Aquaman but did they re-tool his background to deliberately be pretty much the same as Namor's? You know, so as to undercut any potential Namor movie.

 

[Scott Ruggels]

https://i.imgur.com/MSMvyL4.mp4

[Greywind]

2 hours ago, drunkonduty said:

 

Finally saw Aquaman on the weekend. (Well, most of it. Switched off in the middle of the climactic fight. Not a good movie. I like Jason Momoa but he keeps showing up in total dogs. This. Conan. Blerrgh.)

 

Anyhoo... not that familiar with Aquaman but did they re-tool his background to deliberately be pretty much the same as Namor's? You know, so as to undercut any potential Namor movie.

 

 

No, they did not.

[Bazza]

5 hours ago, Lord Liaden said:

 

Since the topic was the hypothetical integration of Aquaman into the MCU, giving him the name means we already have a Namor film. Which made over a billion dollars. I like the Sub-Mariner, but if Marvel could get Arthur Curry I wouldn't blame anyone for saying Namor McKenzie can suck brine.

 

I would say "those are fighting words" however Marvel is said to want an Asian actor to play a traditional & original Greek-Western story. 

[drunkonduty]

4 hours ago, Greywind said:

 

No, they did not.

 

Hmm. So the plagiarism goes back to the comics then. Well then, that's a thing.

[Greywind]

1 hour ago, drunkonduty said:

 

Hmm. So the plagiarism goes back to the comics then. Well then, that's a thing.

 

Doom Patrol and X-Men: similar premise. Right down to the guy in the wheelchair.

[Grailknight]

2 hours ago, drunkonduty said:

 

Hmm. So the plagiarism goes back to the comics then. Well then, that's a thing.

 

While Namor does predate Aquaman by quite a few years, any plagiarism would be in the other direction. Namor's background was not developed in those WW2 comics while the roots of Aquaman's origin were established in the early 60's before Namor was revamped in the early FF comics. Modern Namor has been a villain as often as not. The movie plot follows pretty closely to the "Throne of Atlantis" story in New 52 DC.

[Lord Liaden]

Valid comparison, Grailknight, thank you. But the debuts of Sub Mariner and Aquaman were only about two-and-a-half years apart, April 1939 to November 1941 respectively.

[zslane]

We should expect that two major competitors in the superhero comics business would duplicate each other's character concepts now and then. In any fan debate over which company was the "original creator" of such character concepts, well, most arguments tend to fall flat in the face of all the folklore and mythology said companies borrow heavily from anyway.

[Bazza]

However, Atlantis is neither folklore or mythology.

[zslane]

Well, I consider such an allegorical story from Plato to be the equivalent of a folklore/mythology mashup. I put the story of Atlantis in the same category as Arthurian legend, which is to say folklore/myth. Scholars are of course free to quibble with my terminology, but I think everyone grasps what I mean.

[Starlord]

I would say Atlantis falls into the folklore category, at least.

[Bazza]

So no one other than me read Plato's Timaeus or Critias which introduces the sci-fi story of Atlantis?

 

My point is that unlike folklore or mythology which has no clear author, the story of Atlantis does. We know when and by who the story originated.