Lord Liaden Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 It may be a coincidence, but it did seem like the recent fan-disappointing trends started production about the time Stan Lee was in his final decline. We've all tended to give a lot of credit to Marvel's success to Kevin Feige, but I wonder now if Stan's creative input was more critical than we realized. Christopher R Taylor, BarretWallace and Hermit 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bazza Posted October 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 17, 2023 Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 It would be sadly ironic if the MCU had died with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2023 It kinda did. I’ve watched most of Phase 4, most because I’ve found it consistently underwhelming. Most of it has been enjoyable, sure, but afterwards, it’s like, I don’t really have an inclination to rewatch it; unlike Phase 1-3. Scott Ruggels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Starlord Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 Wonder what Thor's personality will be this time.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 Maybe he'll be on a quest to Find Himself. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 He'll start doing community theater and really lean into it and start using Shakespearean speech all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 59 minutes ago, Starlord said: Wonder what Thor's personality will be this time.... I wonder who'll play Thor this time. Chris was reportedly getting tired of the role and only stuck with it because he preferred less-serious Thor, which Taika provided. Then again there's another Hemsworth who's "played" Thor... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 I had read somewhere that Hemsworth realized it had gotten too silly and if they were going to do another the tone would have to change. Christopher R Taylor and Old Man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 I thought that Infinity War struck a good balance between Thor the lovable goof and Thor the badass warrior god. That could work if the transition in tone is handled well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 I wonder if Ken Branagh is available. His Thor was the last really good one. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 I used to hope for a Tales of Asgard movie or television series like that old feature in Thor's comics, exploring more of the Nine Realms and Kirby-fied Norse mythology. With MCU Asgard gone the way of Krypton I doubt there's any prospect of it. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Ditto. The Loki Disney+ series is the closest we are going to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 Quote I wonder now if Stan's creative input was more critical than we realized. Ike Perlmutter was fired about that time as well, and I think he was a very strong positive influence that often clashed with what Feige wanted. Scott Ruggels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 28, 2023 Report Share Posted October 28, 2023 I'm not sure about that. Perlmutter was removed from heading the Marvel film division in 2015. Lee died in 2018, but his decline started with the death of his wife about sixteen months before. I would put the first sign of Marvel's foundation starting to shake at Captain Marvel in 2019. Feige's reported biggest disputes with Perlmutter were over the movies' budgets. Ike is a notorious penny pincher, but it's become clear that those big budgets are only sustainable if each movie is a blockbuster, which in Marvel's case is no longer guaranteed. So he might have had a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted October 29, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2023 Who would win: Stan Lee the scriptwriter or The Fans? slikmar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 29, 2023 Report Share Posted October 29, 2023 Quote it's become clear that those big budgets are only sustainable if each movie is a blockbuster, which in Marvel's case is no longer guaranteed. So he might have had a point. I mean it was obvious from the beginning. If your film has to make nearly half a billion dollars to break even you've gotten out of control. Yes, Marvel got used to the idea of 800+ million dollar paychecks from ticket sales alone, but that's an absurdly unrealistic and unreasonable expectation. Its plainly obvious that your movies cost too much in this kind of situation and those excesses have to be cut back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted October 29, 2023 Report Share Posted October 29, 2023 The fact of the matter is Bob Iger stepped down and he was the head of everything. He was replaced with Bob Choprak. Choprak didn't want multiple movie contracts, pay for the productions, and only cared about how much money the studio was making on the streaming end of things. He is the guy who lost the law suit from Scarlet Johannson (which I can't ever remember happening before this), and pissed off the people at Pixar. Chopak was the guy who gave the Inhumans to Perlmutter and Buck and watched them crash. Chopak installed a guy to basically tell the movie division they couldn't make movies. This joker lost almost two billion dollars on the streaming service in two years. Employees found out they might be laid off through the news. You want to know what happened? They hired a guy from their park division to run the company during a pandemic and he screwed up, picking guys that had no idea what they were doing. And all of them were forced out. CES Old Man, Lawnmower Boy and slikmar 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted October 30, 2023 Report Share Posted October 30, 2023 That's an... interesting view of history Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 https://variety.com/2023/film/features/marvel-jonathan-majors-problem-the-marvels-reshoots-kang-1235774940/ Old Man and unclevlad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 Sounds like lessons have finally been learned but that it'll take a year or so to turn the juggernaut around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Old Man said: Sounds like lessons have finally been learned but that it'll take a year or so to turn the juggernaut around. I'm not going to assume that. At Marvel...perhaps, but at Disney? They're still gutting ESPN, and trying to cram it into a streaming service. Its decline has been severe, but they continue to cut, cut, cut...firing the experienced (read: expensive) talent, minimal high-dollar events overall in pro sports. They do keep their big money-maker, college football, but they're getting increasing competition there. Shifts...no free streaming on quite a few events, more events on ESPN3 (streaming). I'll grant: Disney hasn't flooded the market with TV stuff recently, so maybe they've learned something too, but I'm not willing to give them credit *yet*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted November 2, 2023 Report Share Posted November 2, 2023 6 hours ago, Old Man said: Sounds like lessons have finally been learned but that it'll take a year or so to turn the juggernaut around. Sounds about right. Juggernaut is notoriously hard to turn around. Starlord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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