Christopher R Taylor Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 From what they said, it sounds like they are scrapping everything and starting over with new stories and plans which might take a little bit to get going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 13, 2022 Report Share Posted August 13, 2022 44 minutes ago, Christopher R Taylor said: From what they said, it sounds like they are scrapping everything and starting over with new stories and plans which might take a little bit to get going But even Marvel got off to a pretty rocky start. Doing this with only theatrical releases is a very risky style; the time factor's so bad. Movies take so long to go from concept to screen, and cost so much... Plus, they'll have to do what Marvel did...mostly, at least. Get a single creative vision, and keep everything on-brand. That also suggests constructing stories with broad appeal. Core characters FIRST, don't drift all the way to dystopia, let heroes BE heroes. Flawed? Fine, within reason. But a full reboot will take QUITE some time to kick off. I'm also not at all sure the theaters will cooperate. Christopher R Taylor and Ternaugh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 14, 2022 Report Share Posted August 14, 2022 I didn’t know the theaters got a vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/13/2022 at 6:45 PM, Old Man said: I didn’t know the theaters got a vote. The big theater chains got burned hard over the last few years, and they've been working to realign the power between them and the studios. For Warner's theater-reliant strategy to work, they need lots of screens for extended periods. They also need people to return to theaters...and in a tight-money environment, with ticket prices being high, one may expect people will be choosier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 In the distant past, movie studios used to own movie theaters; you'd have a Paramount theater or an MGM theater, and they only played their own content. Smaller studios and moviegoers complained and congress passed a law, on the theory that this was basically monopoly in all but the biggest cities. Studios were not allowed to own movie theaters. A few years back that law was overturned, because of how many other options people have to get their entertainment content. I'm going from vague memory here and am to busy to look it up; it may have been a court case that was overturned, but the essentials are still accurate either way. So far, no movie studios have taken advantage of this, but it seems like a pretty good business move, to cut out the expense of theater owners. Most of the time, films get a percentage of the box office based on how long the film has been out. The first week, the studio gets almost all of it. After a few months, they are getting a small percentage and want new films on the screen replacing that low-earning film. This isn't universal, different films have different deals, but its usually how things are done -- or at least were done back when my friend was a theater manager. Its in the interest of the studios to own theaters and get all the ticket profits, but none of them have taken advantage of the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 25 minutes ago, Christopher R Taylor said: In the distant past, movie studios used to won theaters, you'd have a Paramount theater or an MGM theater, and they only played their own content. Smaller studios and moviegoers complained and congress passed a law, on the theory that this was basically monopoly in all but the biggest cities. Studios were not allowed to own movie theaters. A few years back that law was overturned, because of how many other options people have to get their entertainment content. So far, no movie studios have taken advantage of this, but it seems like a pretty good business move, to cut out the expense of theater owners. Most of the time, films get a percentage of the box office based on how long the film has been out. The first week, the studio gets almost all of it. After a few months, they are getting a small percentage and want new films on the screen replacing that low-earning film. This isn't universal, different films have different deals, but its usually how things are done -- or at least were done back when my friend was a theater manager. Its in the interest of the studios to own theaters and get all the ticket profits, but none of them have taken advantage of the change. There's a story behind a paywall about Amazon buying a multiplex theater in Culver City, California. Amazon recently also purchased MGM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 15, 2022 Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 Last I checked the studios already got the lion's share of theater profits so I'm not sure why they would bother owning theaters. Unless they wanted to get into the concession business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 Because I am catching up on Titans on TNT as I don't have HBOMax, I was reading an article to see if Doom Patrol might come to TNT also. Sadly apparently not at this point and more to the point, there apparently is a good chance it, Titans and the Harley Quinn animated show may be shelved (amongst others) due to this merger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 Some of that stuff might come back, if its lucrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 Young justice did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, Bazza said: Young justice did. Wait for it... ...Here are some stories about Young Justice not getting a season 5, even after great viewership ratings: https://collider.com/young-justice-season-5-cancelled-hbo-max/ https://gizmodo.com/dc-universe-young-justice-warner-discovery-hbo-max-1849426104 https://thedirect.com/article/young-justice-season-5-release Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 22, 2022 Report Share Posted August 22, 2022 Not DC, but anything relating to HBO Max is meaningful... https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/hbo-max-removes-sesame-street-episodes-1235345685/ So one has to wonder what they're going to keep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 All I know is Black Adam should have been the villain for the second Shazam movie. It appears that they instead made up new villains for the second film...which is pretty silly. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 I figured they would use Mister Mind after last one. Jhamin and assault 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 23, 2022 Report Share Posted August 23, 2022 On 8/18/2022 at 6:32 PM, Ternaugh said: Wait for it... ...Here are some stories about Young Justice not getting a season 5, even after great viewership ratings: https://collider.com/young-justice-season-5-cancelled-hbo-max/ https://gizmodo.com/dc-universe-young-justice-warner-discovery-hbo-max-1849426104 https://thedirect.com/article/young-justice-season-5-release As I understand it Zaslav just axed anything that might be appropriate for children, without regard to ratings, popularity, cost, profitability, or logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 Well, after all, who would want to instill an affinity for one's brand in consumers at an early age? Just look how that strategy has failed miserably for Disney! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 THis is an interesting piece of news and information:https://cosmicbook.news/david-zaslav-targets-dc-comics-failures-exposed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 Quote As I understand it Zaslav just axed anything that might be appropriate for children, without regard to ratings, popularity, cost, profitability, or logic. Again, they are shutting down everything to reassess and start over. Some stuff is too far along to stop, or would be excessively damaging to the bottom line to just eat at this point but WB was a very sick, very weak, collapsing company and they had to take radical action to even keep it on life support. FIFTY THREE BILLION DOLLARS ($53,000,000,000) of debt is not something you solve with small measures. Deep cuts, decisive action, and strong restructure is required to get out of this hole. They could put out 53 Wonder Woman I films and still be in debt. Disney can afford to eat the losses and lack of sales that Marvel Comics represents. WB cannot eat DC's utter lack of earnings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Scott Ruggels said: THis is an interesting piece of news and information:https://cosmicbook.news/david-zaslav-targets-dc-comics-failures-exposed That has to be the most depressing article I've read about the comics industry in a long time. The suits, having done their level best to screw up any attempt at growing the comics fan base, promptly blame their failures on the fan base and creators and now intend to shrink the fan base even further. Well done, guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Scott Ruggels said: THis is an interesting piece of news and information:https://cosmicbook.news/david-zaslav-targets-dc-comics-failures-exposed Sorry, I stopped reading when the writer spewed "DC Comics has been in dire straits due to its SJW and woke agenda"... assault, dougmacd, Jhamin and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, unclevlad said: Sorry, I stopped reading when the writer spewed "DC Comics has been in dire straits due to its SJW and woke agenda"... Well it has. Would it be fairer to say that they have hired poorly talented, and far cheaper writers, and have abrogated their editorial duties to clean up or correct the scripts, but then Kicking out good artists, colorists and writers because they voted for "The wrong guy"? 1 hour ago, Old Man said: That has to be the most depressing article I've read about the comics industry in a long time. The suits, having done their level best to screw up any attempt at growing the comics fan base, promptly blame their failures on the fan base and creators and now intend to shrink the fan base even further. Well done, guys. This is why I have moved to read Crowdfunded comics. Yes, a lot more expensive, therefore fewer titles I can afford to read, but more entertaining stories and blessedly free from "The Message". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 If anyone wants to know where the woke "controversy" in comics came from, I found a good background article that I will post in the Political Thread where it belongs. Otherwise, I note that DC Comics has struggled for years with corporate mergers; this year it's Discovery, two years ago it was AT&T (which fired DiDio). Couple that with crippling changes to distribution, the firing of 1/3 of the editorial staff, the overall death of the comic book as a profitable medium, and by the way covid, it's not surprising they're struggling. On the other hand, near as I can tell the DC Comics budget is somewhere around $47M which is a rounding error compared to the advertising budget of DiscoWarnT&T or whatever faceless megacorp owns them at the moment. unclevlad and Matt the Bruins 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 5 hours ago, Scott Ruggels said: THis is an interesting piece of news and information:https://cosmicbook.news/david-zaslav-targets-dc-comics-failures-exposed This guy says he has a leak in the accounting department. The things it states may or may not be true. I would wait for a second source but I note that CBR boards have been talking about how none of the books outside of Batman are selling well so that might be true. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 I won't argue the facts; I'd argue the interpretation, but that discussion will risk getting this board closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 24, 2022 Report Share Posted August 24, 2022 Quote I note that CBR boards have been talking about how none of the books outside of Batman are selling well so that might be true. Technically some of DC and Marvel books are selling better BUT they are not put out by DC or Marvel, they are licensed books by Scholastic for kids. The top selling book for DC didn't break the top 50 last quarter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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