Old Man Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 2 hours ago, unclevlad said: The police are being pretty reticent about coming out with information on this guy. I'm wondering if they're trying to trace connections to others, at this point, as they'll usually have made SOME statements by now. Gov. Abbott typically directs his sheriffs to withhold information about mass shootings in order to try and head off any gun control debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 I have now received a total of three mailers for Ron DeSantis, and they are addressed to my family, which makes me think that they're going off of a very old list. I've been registered as an independent since 2017, so I wouldn't be eligible to vote in the Republican primary. Mom was registered Republican in Maine, but I transferred her mail after her death to my address, and I still occasionally receive political stuff addressed to her, even though the last time she was eligible to vote in Nevada was sometime in Bill Clinton's first term. The last mailer's campaigning hard on his little league and college baseball record, which doesn't really translate to any kind of skill in governing that I can see. All of them are pushing very hard the idea that he's for Freedom, though none of them seem to understand what that word actually means. The "not a candidate" certainly doesn't. Tom Cowan and Logan D. Hurricanes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 (edited) I just found this video this morning. It's a very detailed breakdown of the Uvalde police response by a tactical instructor. I'm putting it in spoiler tags for language. It's also very long, at 1:43. There are many F bombs, b/c the speaker is upset, but it's worth watching to gain a greater understanding both of the botched response and what a proper response looks like and why. At the end, he expresses some political opinions pretty strongly. You can stop watching when he pauses at about 1:35 after finishing reading the report if you don't want to hear a rant about defunding the police, BLM, ANTIFA and gun control, as that's not the meat of this anyway: Spoiler Edited May 9, 2023 by Pattern Ghost Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 The verdict is in. Logan D. Hurricanes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, tkdguy said: The verdict is in. And the appeals process will commence shortly. Interesting update on the story... Quote Judge tells jurors they can now identify themselves publicly but advises them not to Also notes, fine if you want to identify yourself, but you are barred from identifying anyone else on the jury. Yeah, I would be extremely concerned about retaliation if my name got out. Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 So, does this put Trump on the list of sex offenders for New York? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 37 minutes ago, BoloOfEarth said: So, does this put Trump on the list of sex offenders for New York? It is a civil case, so I would be surprised if it did. archer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 It is completely unfair to judge someone by their appearance... but does anyone else think that Trump's lawyer, Joe Tacopina, looks like he works for the mob? Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted May 9, 2023 Report Share Posted May 9, 2023 The UK Independence Party is on the bink of wipeout after losing its local and district councillors https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65538114 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 It's a bad day for compulsive liars: DOJ Charges George Santos Cygnia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 4 hours ago, death tribble said: The UK Independence Party is on the bink of wipeout after losing its local and district councillors https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65538114 I admit my ignorance about this party. I've never heard of it until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 30 minutes ago, tkdguy said: I admit my ignorance about this party. I've never heard of it until now. I believe that it was one that promised magic ponies that blew rainbows out of their butt* if Great Britain would leave the EU. Or £350 million per week surplus for things like NHS. *Magic pony chow not included. Offer not valid in England, Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland. May have additional fees. Seek medical care if your head of lettuce lasts longer than your PM.Brexit Bus not to scale. L. Marcus, BoloOfEarth and tkdguy 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 4 hours ago, tkdguy said: I admit my ignorance about this party. I've never heard of it until now. you might (or might not) be more familiar with the initials UKIP. they were very vocal proponents of Brexit. tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 And its ex-leader Nigel Farage was very pally with Trump which damned him in the eyes of some. Me for example. Farage as leader of UKIP forced the Tories hand and got them to do the referendum vote on whether to stay or leave Europe. That more or less doomed David Cameron and then Theresa May. Consequently it may be argued that it derailed the Tories for near enough the last decade. tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 11 hours ago, tkdguy said: It's a bad day for compulsive liars: DOJ Charges George Santos And now the list of charges is out. Rather extensive, too. From NYT: Quote Mr. Santos was charged with seven counts of wire fraud, three counts of money laundering, one count of theft of public funds, and two counts of making materially false statements to the House of Representatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 hour ago, unclevlad said: And now the list of charges is out. Rather extensive, too. From NYT: And one charge of Pants on Fire. tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 hour ago, unclevlad said: And now the list of charges is out. Rather extensive, too. From NYT: According to Santos, he will be representing himself and is assured victory as he passed the bar in all 50 states several years ago and has an extensive history of successful criminal defense cases. Tom Cowan and BoloOfEarth 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 Just now, Starlord said: According to Santos, he will be representing himself and is assured victory as he passed the bar in all 50 states several years ago and has an extensive history of successful criminal defense cases. Thankfully, they are Federal charges, and as the current President, he can always pardon himself. Tom Cowan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 4 hours ago, BoloOfEarth said: And one charge of Pants on Fire. Just one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 7 hours ago, unclevlad said: And now the list of charges is out. Rather extensive, too. From NYT: Quote Mr. Santos was charged with seven counts of wire fraud, three counts of money laundering, one count of theft of public funds, and two counts of making materially false statements to the House of Representatives. It is illegal to make false statements to the House of Representatives? Why aren't they all in jail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 Just now, Ranxerox said: It is illegal to make false statements to the House of Representatives? Why aren't they all in jail? Ikr? That would solve so many problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clonus Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ranxerox said: It is illegal to make false statements to the House of Representatives? Why aren't they all in jail? "Materially false" What that means is that it's illegal to falsify your financial disclosure forms because that's the equivalent of a affadavit or sworn testimony. You can lie in session all you want. archer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-why-george-santos-was-able-to-get-away-with-it-for-so-long Quote I didn’t think it was possible, but if true, New York GOP Rep. George Santos’ exploits were even worse than we thought. And that’s saying a lot. While most of the headlines scream “wire fraud” and “money laundering,” the 13-count indictment really outlined three big things that caught my attention. First, Santos, 34, allegedly persuaded donors to give money to an LLC that he controlled, under the guise that it was an outside group solely dedicated to supporting his candidacy. Instead, he treated this money as his personal piggy bank. (Some of that embezzled cash allegedly went toward “designer clothes,” an investment that likely helped him keep his con going.) Second, the indictment alleges that Santos fraudulently received unemployment insurance, despite the fact that he was gainfully employed by an investment firm. Under normal conditions, this would be a scummy thing to do, but as Santos allegedly perpetrated this fraud at the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, it is especially contemptible. This means he took advantage of the system at a vulnerable time, and presumably took funds that might have gone to someone who actually needed them. (Incidentally, as a member of Congress he also voted for stricter qualifications for people to receive Medicaid.) And lastly, he allegedly lied about it on his financial disclosure forms. For all this, he could face up to 20 years in prison. What we don’t know yet—what an investigation would presumably discover—are the details regarding exactly how he got so much money so fast. But that’s for another day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cygnia said: https://www.thedailybeast.com/heres-why-george-santos-was-able-to-get-away-with-it-for-so-long What's amazing is that this guy hardly even registers against the background noise of insurrections, hostage taking, blatant corruption, and stochastic terror generated by the modern GOP. This guy was "merely" one grifter in a party of grifters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted May 10, 2023 Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 Who was stupid enough to actually leave a paper trail and get caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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