Lord Liaden Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 I believe Marvel Studios should seriously consider a full reboot. The old continuity has run out of steam. It's not like Marvel Comics haven't done the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 Phase 4+ was an effectual reboot albeit a soft reboot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 Well, I would argue that they changed focus, but did not alter any of the previous continuity. All the events of the past in the MCU are still canon at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grailknight Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: Well, I would argue that they changed focus, but did not alter any of the previous continuity. All the events of the past in the MCU are still canon at this point. There's a 10-mile-high petrified torso in the middle of the Indian Ocean that has not been mentioned in any movie other than the one it emerged in. Also, very little acknowledgement of that 30k mile tall being that addressed the entire planet and said he be back to pass judgement on humanity in a mental voice everyone on the planet heard. They are clearly ignoring some events. Edited December 20, 2023 by Grailknight Christopher R Taylor and Lawnmower Boy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 Wakanda's gonna panic when they find out that torso is now 40% vibranium and their monopoly is shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Grailknight said: There's a 10-mile-high petrified torso in the middle of the Indian Ocean that has not been mentioned in any movie other than the one it emerged in. Also, very little acknowledgement of that 30k mile tall being that addressed the entire planet and said he be back to pass judgement on humanity in a mental voice everyone on the planet heard. They are clearly ignoring some events. Ignoring, yes. But ignoring isn't changing. Tony Stark and Nat Romanov are still dead. Sam Wilson is still Captain America. Hulk is still intelligent. Asgard is still reduced to a village in Norway. The current Kree and Skrulls are the way the previous movies left them. BTW was it stated that everyone on Earth heard Arishem's message? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 (edited) I didn't...but I was listening to a lot of The Weekend in 2021 so I could have missed it. Edited December 20, 2023 by Starlord Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 Marvel Cinema has a real problem because they were approaching their movies with the same sloppy, poor approach that has rocketed them to 9% of the US comic book market... when combined with DC. They were making movies by deciding on a character, then announcing the movie, then looking for someone to write and direct it based on a checklist of physical characteristics rather than experience, talent, and a love of the source material. They found the same formula that DC did with Superman, then just like DC abandoned it because they figured it was their brilliant leadership that resulted in the earnings. And everyone in the studio and Disney wanted a finger in the pie so they would get some of the credit for a billion dollar win and a cut of the profits. The result has been a disaster. They COULD have made new characters like She Hulk and Ms Marvel work, with better writing, directing, and planning, but were so sloppy and stupid at it the turned the most profitable franchise in movie history into a disaster. And for what? Not a love of comics or the medium, that's for sure. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 BoloOfEarth, Starlord, Christopher R Taylor and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 20, 2023 Report Share Posted December 20, 2023 If I were Terrence Howard, at this point I would see no down side to telling Marvel Studios what they can do with their Kang. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 There's been peaks and valleys in every "phase" of the MCU. I don't think they handled Thanos well at all for example. On the other hand, I enjoyed Wandavision quite a bit. I just kind of go with the flow when it comes to these movies. I will say the MCU...on average....is still far better than what DC is putting out. Ternaugh and Old Man 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 I agree, Marvel has a lot of great content out, while DC has half a good movie in Wonder Woman and a handfull of great Batman content. While Marvel's latest stuff is no better than DC, they have more quality in their catalog. Aquaman 2 doesn't look particularly promising, but I thought the first one was pretty idiotic and boring and it pulled in over a billion box office so :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 I enjoyed Aquaman. It was fun, slick-looking spectacle, and Jason Momoa is a compelling screen presence. And yes, until recently Marvel Studios' body of work was deep overall. Its best films are among the best ever produced for the superhero genre. Which, ironically, is why this latest phase feels so disappointing. We got used to a high median level of quality and innovation from Marvel, while DC so often misfired that anything decent they did felt like a step up. Marvel squandered the fan trust and loyalty they spent a decade building up, and now they almost have to start the process over again. Hermit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 ReWatching Winter Soldier and never payed attention before, but the pictures next Peggy's bed when Steve visits do not have her husband in them, just son and daughter. Foreshadowing of the fact was Steve who she married? The young boy the got in picture for son looks a lot like Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 In MCU continuity, I don't think that's likely. That timeline's Peggy had clearly not seen Steve until after he was thawed out. The producers may have wanted to leave Peggy's husband's identity secret, especially given the Agent Carter series. But at that point I don't think they had decided how they wanted Steve's story to end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 That was a different timeline. He changed it when he retired and went back in time to be with Peggy. Still works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) It doesn't really, since he was both frozen in the antarctic as Captain America for decades and also retired and growing old (??? somehow? The super soldier serum greatly inhibits aging) with Peggy Carter at the same time. Edited December 21, 2023 by Christopher R Taylor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, Pattern Ghost said: That was a different timeline. He changed it when he retired and went back in time to be with Peggy. Still works. Here is a simple infographic: Tl;dr: It's time travel, don't overthink it. Pattern Ghost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 He was active as two people at the same time, carefully never interacting, apparently. And none of that explains how the super soldier serum didn't keep him unaging, or at least very slow aging. Or make that movie any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 21 minutes ago, Christopher R Taylor said: He was active as two people at the same time, carefully never interacting, apparently. And none of that explains how the super soldier serum didn't keep him unaging, or at least very slow aging. Or make that movie any better. There was not anything to explain. The idea that the super soldier formula slowed aging was never introduced into the MCU. slikmar, Lord Liaden and Pattern Ghost 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 Wasn't he almost 200 years old when he came back and gave Sam the shield? He was alive from 1917 to about 2020 then went back and lived from about 1945 to 2020 when he gifted the shield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 He was around 22-23 when he got the powers, there was no explanation how long he was in the war, but he was frozen before it was ended. So that's 2 years, maybe? Then he was unfrozen in roughly 2010 and lived until around 2020, so another 10 years or so. That puts him at mid 30s, when he went back in time and broke all temporal mechanics and rules and coexisted with himself for 75 years, putting him around 110. The explanation for why he aged is "we don't want Captain America around any more" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted December 21, 2023 Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Starlord said: Wasn't he almost 200 years old when he came back and gave Sam the shield? He was alive from 1917 to about 2020 then went back and lived from about 1945 to 2020 when he gifted the shield. 1917-1945 28 yrs 1945-2011 0 yrs 2011-2020 9 yrs 1945-2020 75 yrs Total 112 yrs Looks like the serum helped with the aging some. Although to be fair, it's not really clear exactly what year Cap went back to Peggy. Could have been anywhere from 1945-1970. If it's 1945 he gains 9 years (and a relationship with Sharon) on Peggy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted December 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2023 However old he is, or for whatever personal reason if Evans, Marvel pulled off a superhero legacy in a live action film. That is fairly bold, when we have multiple actors continuing the same role, in the same series or different series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted December 22, 2023 Report Share Posted December 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Bazza said: However old he is, or for whatever personal reason if Evans, Marvel pulled off a superhero legacy in a live action film. That is fairly bold, when we have multiple actors continuing the same role, in the same series or different series. Something DC has tried to do for YEARs, even introducing the legacy hero as a sidekick, then deciding over and over to return to the original. Then reboot, but because "reasons" not only keep the original BUT any and all legacies - the various Robins, Kid Flashes, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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