Pattern Ghost Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Seems to me they've heavily implied that the portals are all to Earth 2. That doesn't rule out other portals to other Earths elsewhere though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 We know: On Earth 1 The Star Labs explosion caused the metahumans. On Earth 1 The rift at the end of season 1 of The Flash caused the breaches (portals) to other Earths On Earth 1 Time travel exists (cf Legends of Tomorrow) On Earth 2 people have different lives to their Earth 1 counterparts. On Earth 2 the Star Labs explosion resulted in Earth 2 metahumans (pretty sure about this) Ergo If there was a similar rift On Earth 2 that caused the initial breaches on Earth 1, then Earth 2 could access other Earth's independently of Earth 1. Also this would mean there are potentially more Earths than the 52 hypothetical Earths from the Earth 1 rift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 I don't know where people keep coming up with the 52 rifts leading anywhere other than to Earth 2. All indications on the show have been that they go between 1 & 2. The fact that Zoom could pop out of any one of them. The fact that Wells told Barry that the rifts were all closed, so there was no way back to Earth 2. Those two things and a lot of other dialog indicate only a bunch of holes punched between Earths 1 & 2. Did I miss something that was said in show? B/C the speculation isn't supported as far as I can tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 Good points. The impression I got is that it was to set up the 52 earths of the DC Multiverse in the Arrow-Flash TV-verse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 When they went through the rift to Earth-2, there was a blurred montage of images from all those "other" Earths. Those were not all images of Earth-1 or Earth-2. If you go back and listen to, I think it was Wells, originally describe the rifts he mentions how each one connects to a potentially different version of Earth. And as you pass through a rift, it would seem you see images of the others. Zoom presumably knows how to navigate the network of rifts on all the different Earths and use it like a multi-dimensional rail system. But then maybe I am completely misunderstanding it all as well. It's not like the writers go out of their way to make any sense out of the mess they've created. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sinanju Posted February 27, 2016 Report Share Posted February 27, 2016 I don't know where people keep coming up with the 52 rifts leading anywhere other than to Earth 2. All indications on the show have been that they go between 1 & 2. The fact that Zoom could pop out of any one of them. The fact that Wells told Barry that the rifts were all closed, so there was no way back to Earth 2. Those two things and a lot of other dialog indicate only a bunch of holes punched between Earths 1 & 2. Did I miss something that was said in show? B/C the speculation isn't supported as far as I can tell. My take on this is that, given an infinite number of parallel earths (and no reason not to assume that once we know the number is greater than one), another Star Labs explosion (or some controlled detonation intended to create a breach) would randomly open a portal to some OTHER parallel earth. Mathematically, the odds of it being Earth-2 again are infinity to one. Plotwise, it's almost a certainty. Plus, assuming the "nearest" parallel worlds are those that most closely mirror Earth-1, the chances of revisiting a previously explored parallel world go way up. And this doesn't even take into account that many parallel worlds are likely to be so similar to your own that you couldn't tell the difference between them (did I even go anywhere? is this the same Earth-1a I visited last week or Earth-1b and does it really matter either way?). Plus, as Larry Niven has written about, while you're away from YOUR world (assuming the branching-timelines version of multiple earths) it is continuing to split into countless nearly-identical parallels diverging slowly over time. "Broadening of the bands" he called it. You come back to "your" earth, but it's now only one of billions so identical nobody can tell the difference. And all of that is way too involved for a CBS network show. So let me boil it down. Minor spoilers for the Flash/Supergirl crossover ahead: We know from various sites that Flash will be going to Supergirl's world. Only Flash. Cisco will not, sadly, get to geek out over Supergirl, much as I'd like to see that. So I think they'll figure out a way to open a single, controlled portal. And they'll think it's to Earth-2. Barry will go through--and find himself in Supergirl's world for the crossover episode. He'll return, they'll recalibrate, and then he'll be off to Earth-2 to confront Zoom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 The Ten Jay Garrick's explained, or “The Flash”: That Huge Zoom Reveal, Explained https://medium.com/@azalben/the-flash-that-huge-zoom-reveal-explained-3ba2de2c34ce#.nnwm2m1ue Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balabanto Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 I think they took a month off just to rationalize it. Joe Walsh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 OK, you got this from me first...Jay/Zoom is a white martian... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted February 29, 2016 Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 Those white martians get such a bad rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted March 23, 2016 Report Share Posted March 23, 2016 Oh thank goodness for my Flash Fix. They didn't go the direction with Trajectory I expected, but that's not a bad thing per se. Barry faces blame and frame for her actions but mostly thanks to one Newspaper guy who looks set to become his own J.Jonah if the writers take the direction. This could easily have been merely a 'don't do drugs kids' very special episode if not for some important seeds planted.... Jesse learned her father goes too far to protect her, and now has a reason for future speed of her own. And blue means something... dropping clues about Zoom's reasons and questions about Jay. The heroes maybe going to some mistaken ideas themselves. Not the best episode, but not the worst, and I admit, I was just glad to see the show back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasBroot Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 I consider last night's episode to be the weakest I can recall seeing in the series. I still enjoyed it quite a bit (which says something) - the banter was great, the lines overall were great, there was nothing wrong with the effects or the acting - I just found the story to be a little weak. The reasons for going, the lack of major changes despite *far* greater interference in events than previous incursions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 It had holes you could drive a starship through, but I admit I liked a lot regardless. Barry bluffing out Thawne about the letter was cool. The fact Pied Piper is now an ally? Neat. but yes, if this were a HERO system game, I'd say Barry managed to roll some positive Luck to keep from ending up in a worse situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 My eyes hurt from all the rolling they did last night over all the dumb time travel nonsense this show feeds us. This show tries to pass off its "scientist" characters as intelligent while simultaneously insulting the intelligence of every viewer who tunes in. The characters are very likable, but the plotlines are worse than bad. Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 I was cracking up at Barry totally screwing up his time travel attempt. I was proud of him for finally winning a battle of wits with Thawne. Lawnmower Boy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassandra Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 And now I'm done with Arrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Here's the Arrow thread. Little bugger can be hard to dig up sometimes: http://www.herogames.com/forums/topic/89573-arrow/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted April 8, 2016 Report Share Posted April 8, 2016 Who are you Speedy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Okay, I LOVE this show, but the most recent episode was disappointing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Yeah. More than a little disappointing. I suppose my problem is believing that the <spoiler> is going to be permanent so therefore it was a pointless exercise for the purpose of melodrama. Meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 There's that. Barry's utter lack of a Plan B, coupled with the idea he'd give up his superspeed to a mass murderer didn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolgroth Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 Plan B, like.... Having Cisco open a rift, bull rush Zoom through it, and then close the rift behind them. If you're going for 'noble' sacrifice, stranding yourself in Earth-2 (or 500) would be a damn site better than disarming yourself so the enemy has the advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 I think we have a team of writers who don't quite grasp the finer points of noble sacrifice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 I suspect that it's a way for Wally West to ultimately get a bit of the speed force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted April 23, 2016 Report Share Posted April 23, 2016 I've loved watching The Flash, but the last episode had me almost cracking my skull banging it against the wall in frustration. When Jay / Zoom broke free of the restraint I half expected Syndrome to show up, chuckling maniacally and saying, "You caught him monologuing!" Honestly, Barry, you couldn't run him down and lock him in a cell before gloating and questioning him? I can't even talk about the other thing. I can excuse the characters taking a few stupid pills to move a plot along. However, it's sad to see them take an overdose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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