Starlord Posted May 11, 2019 Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 Suicide Squad somehow made ok money, but it doesn't belong in a sentence with WW and Aquaman IMO. slikmar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted May 11, 2019 Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 OK here's some inside baseball for moviemaking as I understand it. Films have a production budget, which is how much it cost to make (paychecks for everyone, craft services so they can have lobster and champagne on the set, renting locations, CGI costs, etc, etc). Then they have a publicity budget, which pays for posters, advertising, sending people out to talk about it, purchasing social media presence and trending, distribution, and so on. The rule of thumb is that a film's advertising budget is roughly equal to the production budget. So if a film like Suicide Squad is listed at 175 million dollars production, then it cost about that much to promote and distribute as well. So a movie has to make more than double its production cost to break even, in Hollywood accounting terms. Here's what the post-Batman DC universe movies did worldwide, according to Box Office Mojo: MOVE COST EARNINGS Man of Steel $225,000,000 $668,045,518 Dawn of Justice $250,000,000 $873,634,919 Suicide Squad $175,000,000 $746,846,894 Justice League $300,000,000 *est $657,924,295 Wonder Woman $149,000,000 $821,847,012 Aquaman $160,000,000 *est $1,147,761,807 Shazam! $100,000,000 $357,828,798 So they're making some money, especially Aquaman, and the trend is in the right direction. Marvel's movies are the EXTREME exception in that they almost always pull in a billion dollars, and that's insanely lucrative. It almost never, ever happens. Comparing DC's films to Marvel's is like comparing the average fantasy author with JK Rowling. You don't have to make Rowling money to be successful, she's the extreme outlier. DC is making money on these movies, they're just not printing money. And sometimes its a real squeaker. But while they are generally very disappointing to fans, they are doing reasonably well with world audiences. Especially the last three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted May 11, 2019 Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 If the DCEU movies were, collectively speaking, a success by any measure studios use to guide their long-term slate, then WB's DCEU plans would not have utterly collapsed after Justice League. Geoff Johns wouldn't have been removed from his post, Ben Affleck would (probably) still be Batman, Henry Cavill would still be Superman, and you would have seen a Suicide Squad 2 long before a faux "Birds of Prey" movie. International box office (which the studio gets a much smaller percentage of than domestic, BTW) is the only thing that prevented WB from going into full-on crisis mode; but make no mistake, it is the domestic box office, the RT scores, and the awards nominations that determine how successful the studio (and the industry as a whole) believes its efforts have been. On that basis, the DCEU movies were a disaster overall, with only a couple of undisputed bright spots (Wonder Woman and Aquaman). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted May 11, 2019 Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 As I noted and the actual data shows, Justice League barely made any money, and it was supposed to be their tentpole, the mega film that launched the DC shared universe. They needed a home run to get things going, and got a slow roller that required instant replay to decide was a single. They bet the farm on that and it barely made any money. Further, it got savaged by the fans, and was treated like an unmitigated disaster in the press so much so that people think it didn't make any money to this day. That's why they shifted gears. Their plan wasn't working and they saw Marvel soaring, so the board of directors were pissed. They needed a big hit and got a meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted May 11, 2019 Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 I am shocked that the lesson WB didn't take out of JL was that obviously people hate a Superman who is actually for Truth and Justice and an actual good guy. Just kidding, but truthfully, this was more of the Superman I wish we had seen in the other 2 movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted May 11, 2019 Report Share Posted May 11, 2019 Justice League and Suicide Squad also had two to three different directors and those directors had different styles CES Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 As the MCU continues on Disney+https://deadline.com/2019/05/kari-skogland-to-direct-6-part-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-miniseries-with-anthony-mackie-sebastian-stan-daniel-bruhl-emily-van-camp-1202619197/?fbclid=IwAR3w8nTyFRbkLjevQXCbFpuN7oyB2cdSVgHLUIzPKj7r59qGuZM1KSKRktQ I like that they are trying to bring back Zemo and Sharon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 If somebody over there remembers Samuel Sterns, I'll be particularly happy. massey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted May 21, 2019 Report Share Posted May 21, 2019 Think they are trying to forget Norton Hulk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bazza Posted May 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Disney announced 8 more Marvel movies through 2022 — here's what they likely are - Insiderhttps://apple.news/Ad0Dbk34wRICrg7s1fpKqEw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted May 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Sharon Carter, Agent 13 of SHIELD has never appeared in Agents of SHIELD. Weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted May 22, 2019 Report Share Posted May 22, 2019 Mockingbird did and never appeared as an Avenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 Well, Sharon did leave SHIELD for the FBI after the events of Winter Soldier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted May 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 Ah, ok, forgot that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 5 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: Well, Sharon did leave SHIELD for the FBI after the events of Winter Soldier. CIA, actually. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Bazza said: Sharon Carter, Agent 13 of SHIELD has never appeared in Agents of SHIELD. Weird. They call that 'having standards'. massey and RDU Neil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted May 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 Sharon Carter will have her REVENGE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 Casting for the next Wolverine is underway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 Quote here's what they likely are - Insider Let's hope she's wrong about most of them. Marvel has been good about making a decent film out of some weak concepts but they'd really be pushing that with some of these concepts. massey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Starlord said: Casting for the next Wolverine is underway Well, he'd be closer to the character's height in the comics. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted May 23, 2019 Report Share Posted May 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: but they'd really be pushing that with some of these concepts. Which ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 On 5/23/2019 at 7:48 AM, Starlord said: Casting for the next Wolverine is underway I hear Ryan Renolds is available, and he likes comic books..;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 I'm available, and I like comic books. Also I am uglier and shorter than Ryan Reynolds. I'm perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amorkca Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Old Man said: I'm available, and I like comic books. Also I am uglier and shorter than Ryan Reynolds. I'm perfect! Ahhh but are you Canadian?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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