unclevlad Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 59 minutes ago, DShomshak said: Rhetorically, it bespeaks a contempt for facts. As LL has said elsewhere, you use sarcasm when facts and logic are against you. It projects a worldview where "Nothing is true and everything is possible," and nothing matters except what side you're on and who has the power. According to stories on BBC, ATC, On the Media and others, Russian state-controlled television delivers a constant barrage of such disinformation chaos, with hefty doses of aggrieved outrage how everyone is against Great Mother Russia. (One may note similar rhetorical strategies on Fox "News," suggesting what sort of government and culture Fox's backers want.) Dean Shomshak Yep. Did anyone ever NOT understand why Trump was so buddy-buddy with Putin? It is said, there can only ever be two. Master and apprentice. I think they're onto something... Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 7 hours ago, archer said: The US embassy in Kiev responded to Putin's claim that Ukraine has always been part of Russia. Nowadays, it is probably not important to the average Russian that the Tsars claimed to inherit a special divine right as successors of the Byzantine Empire through the marriage of a Byzantine princess to... a prince of Kyiv. Or that the Russian analog of King Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table, heroes such as Ilya Murometz, Aliosha Popovich, Mikula, etc, were the knights of Prince Vladimir of... Kyiv. (Thank you, college class on Russian folklore.) Dean Shomshak Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 Meanwhile, the ugliness continues in Texas... Joe Walsh and TrickstaPriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 It's like a time capsule from fifty years ago. Does Abbot believe this is a vote-getter? Or is he really that big a neanderthal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 26 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: It's like a time capsule from fifty years ago. Does Abbot believe this is a vote-getter? Or is he really that big a neanderthal? Is this a trick question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lectryk Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: It's like a time capsule from fifty years ago. Does Abbot believe this is a vote-getter? Or is he really that big a neanderthal? In Texas? Yes, this is a vote getter: ordering a state agency in charge of protecting children to do it's job by stopping children from receiving a list of damaging medical procedures will only help him (unless the state undergoes a sea change in local state wide politics). It will also continue to enhance his standing among the people that already are like minded, his leadership against the tryany of wokeness and whatever else the right is crusading against, and it will only enhance his national profile in he chooses to run for President. The various states that have attempted to pass gender based laws (anti bathroom bills, sports participation, etc) will be continue to be encouraged by Texas' leadership in this area. Expect to see more of this type of thing from other state governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said: Does Abbot believe this is a vote-getter? Or is he really that big a neanderthal? In Texas, I'm not sure those two things are mutually exclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 Well, that didn't take long. Who's surprised? Trump App Truth Social Reportedly Bans Account for Mocking Devin Nunes Truth Social already censoring content, bans user who made fun of Trump Media CEO "Freedom of speech" = "Freedom to say whatever Trump and his cronies like" TrickstaPriest and Lord Liaden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 Avenge the Cow! TrickstaPriest and Pariah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 Former Texas power chief says Greg Abbott directed him to charge customers max amount during 2021 winter outages https://www.rawstory.com/greg-abbott-ercot/ Bill Magness, the former CEO of the Electric Reliabilty Council of Texas (ERCOT), testified in court on Wednesday that millions of Texans received sky-high energy bills during last winter's deep freeze based on the instructions of Gov. Greg Abbott. Magness alleged under oath that " when he ordered power prices to stay at the maximum price cap for days on end during last year’s frigid winter storm and blackout, running up billions of dollars in bills for power companies, he was following the direction" of the Texas governor. Magness said that keeping prices as high as possible were the only way to follow Abbott's directive, which was relayed to him by then-Public Utility Commission Chairman DeAnn Walker, to keep power on at all costs. “She told me the governor had conveyed to her if we emerged from rotating outages it was imperative they not resume,” Magness testified. “We needed to do what we needed to do to make it happen.” For some context https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/texas/former-ercot-ceo-following-gov-abbott-order-prices-at-max-cap-feb-2021-winter-storm/269-fe79947a-8ed2-4817-b4d5-037b72c46443 Last year, Abbott's spokesman told the Chronicle that the governor was not "involved in any way" in the decision to keep prices at a maximum of $9,000 per megawatt-hour. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Pariah said: Well, that didn't take long. Who's surprised? Trump App Truth Social Reportedly Bans Account for Mocking Devin Nunes Truth Social already censoring content, bans user who made fun of Trump Media CEO "Freedom of speech" = "Freedom to say whatever Trump and his cronies like" If they're pushing that "no censorship" position? Their terms of service directly contradict that. From their terms of service: Quote We have the right, in our sole and absolute discretion, (1) to edit, redact, or otherwise change any Contributions; (2) to re-categorize any Contributions to place them in more appropriate locations on the Site; and (3) to pre-screen or delete any Contributions at any time and for any reason, without notice. We have no obligation to monitor your Contributions. https://help.truthsocial.com/legal/terms-of-service/ end of section 9 Pariah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 35 minutes ago, unclevlad said: If they're pushing that "no censorship" position? Their terms of service directly contradict that. From their terms of service: < snip > https://help.truthsocial.com/legal/terms-of-service/ end of section 9 Trump and his flying monkeys have never been about ending censorship. They've always been against Donald Trump being censored. Big, big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 47 minutes ago, archer said: Former Texas power chief says Greg Abbott directed him to charge customers max amount during 2021 winter outages < snip > Last year, Abbott's spokesman told the Chronicle that the governor was not "involved in any way" in the decision to keep prices at a maximum of $9,000 per megawatt-hour. Wait, the governor's office ... lied about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 59 minutes ago, unclevlad said: If they're pushing that "no censorship" position? Their terms of service directly contradict that. From their terms of service: https://help.truthsocial.com/legal/terms-of-service/ end of section 9 The word "censorship" means different things depending on the political opinions of the speaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Cygnia said: Avenge the Cow! Do it now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted February 23, 2022 Report Share Posted February 23, 2022 52 minutes ago, Old Man said: The word "censorship" means different things depending on the political opinions of the speaker. Everyone is for freedom of speech, of course. They just don't all agree on what freedom of speech means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 38 minutes ago, Ragitsu said: Everyone is for freedom of speech, of course. IMO, demonstrably NOT!!!! true or even close. The hard core religious conservative types make no bones that teaching should be based on the Bible and anything contradictory should be suppressed. The Trumpists are closer to the Soviet position...control speech to seize and control power. Sections of the hard left can be similar; the basis with them is arrogance. As an example: the San Francisco school board members that got recalled. From Wikipedia: Quote Board President Gabriela López affirmed that the Board can focus to "dismantle racist symbols and white supremacy culture...and other pressing matters" and saw the process as an opportunity to highlight individuals who are often not acknowledged within the school curriculum Pressing? In an era of massive budget deficits (this started before Covid), and it's estimated to cost $1M. Many of the names were questionable. But for this thread, this reflects a desire to quash speech about the historical context, and IMO suggests they'd be perfectly happy to erase discussions about those "morally impure" people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 ...y'know, that second line of mine you omitted in the quote box is kind of important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 18 minutes ago, Ragitsu said: ...y'know, that second line of mine you omitted in the quote box is kind of important. The second line is their public face. Omitting it is their REAL face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 So, ABC just preempted Wheel of Fortune (my mother watches it) to announce that Russia's invasion of Ukraine has begun. Explosions and air raid siren in Kyiv. Putin claiming it's all to "liberate" the Ukrainean people; claiming "denazification." Also warning the rest of the world that if any outside power interferes, that country will suffer consequences like the world has never seen before. (Or something like that; I don't guarantee I got the announcer's words right.) The war is on. Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 As a sad side issue to this desperate situation, it turns my stomach to hear all the American right-wing media commentators proclaiming that this wouldn't be happening if Donald Trump was still President, that he wouldn't let Putin get away with this, that he'd be tougher than Joe Biden. Trump sucked up to Putin over his whole presidency. Even now Donnie is praising the "genius" of Vlad's plan to "liberate" Russian Ukrainians and to "keep the peace." Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaplayboy Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 A mass death event is under way in Eastern Europe. The "Civilized world" has a solemn obligation to make the consequences as severe as possible for its perpetrators. TrickstaPriest and Trencher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 Pariah, Pattern Ghost, Hermit and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 We had Plague. Now War. Two horsemen to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted February 24, 2022 Report Share Posted February 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Pattern Ghost said: We had Plague. Now War. Two horsemen to go. Yes, but which ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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