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4 minutes ago, Dr. MID-Nite said:

Honestly...State Rights to me has always been BS. Federal law should always trump it. We're one country. Are we going to a time where I'll be married in one state and not married in another? How backwards can we get?

 

Unfortunately, the answer from several states seems to be, "Hold my beer."

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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 

As someone who works for local government, I am very much in favor of this. I did not want to work for a recent federal administration, even indirectly, and as a subsidiary of State government there is an indispensable partitioning that exists between the Feds and local government.

 

Federal government does some things well, some things poorly, and a number of things not at all. Same for State, Local and Private Sector entities. I prefer most decisions occur locally in government, with appropriate oversight from State and Federal entities to ensure no shenanigans occur.

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9 hours ago, Dr. MID-Nite said:

Honestly...State Rights to me has always been BS. Federal law should always trump it. We're one country. Are we going to a time where I'll be married in one state and not married in another? How backwards can we get?

 

Sadly, this is true only to the degree that the States are willing to follow the Federal government's lead. The last time a group of states decided en masse that they weren't going to let the Feds tell them how to run things, it took the force of the Union army to set things right.

 

26 minutes ago, Iuz the Evil said:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
 

As someone who works for local government, I am very much in favor of this. I did not want to work for a recent federal administration, even indirectly, and as a subsidiary of State government there is an indispensable partitioning that exists between the Feds and local government.

 

Federal government does some things well, some things poorly, and a number of things not at all. Same for State, Local and Private Sector entities. I prefer most decisions occur locally in government, with appropriate oversight from State and Federal entities to ensure no shenanigans occur.

 

Amendment X does indeed assign the bulk of responsibility for governance to the States. This is as it should be, in my humble opinion. Many, or perhaps even most, issues are best solved by the people who are the most directly affected by them. I believe, for example, that issues facing Salt Lake City are best resolved by the city government, perhaps somewhat less effectively by the Utah State government, and even less so by the federal government.

 

Having said that, when local and State governments fail to protect the rights of their citizens, it is the duty and obligation of the Federal government to make things right. State and local governments, frequently in more conservative areas, will cry day and night about Federal government overreach. But in almost every case, in my experience, the Federal government gets involved simply because the State and local governments won't do the right thing.

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56 minutes ago, Pariah said:

 

Sadly, this is true only to the degree that the States are willing to follow the Federal government's lead. The last time a group of states decided en masse that they weren't going to let the Feds tell them how to run things, it took the force of the Union army to set things right.

 

 

Amendment X does indeed assign the bulk of responsibility for governance to the States. This is as it should be, in my humble opinion. Many, or perhaps even most, issues are best solved by the people who are the most directly affected by them. I believe, for example, that issues facing Salt Lake City are best resolved by the city government, perhaps somewhat less effectively by the Utah State government, and even less so by the federal government.

 

Having said that, when local and State governments fail to protect the rights of their citizens, it is the duty and obligation of the Federal government to make things right. State and local governments, frequently in more conservative areas, will cry day and night about Federal government overreach. But in almost every case, in my experience, the Federal government gets involved simply because the State and local governments won't do the right thing.

I don’t disagree at all, that’s the function of appropriate oversight by Federal and State authorities within the defined areas of their purview. If the aforementioned shenanigans are at play, one works desperately hope appropriate regulatory authority steps in.

 

With that said, that cuts both ways. “Rules for thee but not for me” is a favorite hobby of officials from both parties, and Federal Authority to protect civil liberties is as ensconced into law as say (to pick an area that is dear to the other side) protection of the nation’s borders.

 

It’s important to remember that when it goes against “our team” because a unified nation acknowledges the rule of law even when you disagree with the other party. Even deeply.

 

 Which is why I want local control to whatever extent practicable, and please 8 pounds six ounce baby Jesus… hold elected officials responsible when they commit horrific abuses of power. And maybe change laws when they’re awful.

 

 Crazy, I know. “Where has this guy been for the last twenty years?”

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21 minutes ago, Old Man said:

 

SJ is a stand up guy.  I waded into the comment thread for that post, he took a lot of heat from some of his customers for it.

 

From what I can recall, the SJG forums (particularly the GURPS sub-forum) feature quite a few members with right-wing inclinations.

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38 minutes ago, tkdguy said:

I stopped going to their version of the NGD for that reason. The Miniatures Page is another site with a lot of right-wing inclinations, more so than the GURPS forums, and tending even more to extreme. I left that site altogether.

 

"Good system; shame about the fan base."

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I read something the other day from one of those alt-Right politicians. It was rife with factual errors, logical fallacies, and all the usual things. So I decided to have a little fun with it. Next time you have to read such drivel from someone like that, you can use the list below and play Alt-Right Buzzword Bingo.

 

Draw yourself a 5x5 grid, or get a blank bingo card. Put the following terms in it in whatever way you feel appropriate. Mix it up. Make multiple different cards. Then, as you read a statement from one of these individuals, cross off anything on your card that you see in the statement. Get five in a row in any direction, and you win!

 

(And seriously, that's the only way you're going to get a win if you're listening to these crackpots.)

 

Enjoy!

 

1. President Trump
2. Fox News
3. Tucker Carlson
4. 'Acting' President Biden
5. Nancy Pelosi
6. Barack Hussein Obama 
7. AOC
8. Liz Cheney
9. Mitt Romney
10. Kamala Harris 
11. Hoax
12. Election Fraud
13. Secret Jewish Space Laser
14. Socialist
15. Marxist / Communist
16. Ivermectin 
17. Replaced by Immigrants
18. God / Christian 
19. The Bible Says...
20. Free Market
21. Government Overreach 
22. Liberal Elite 
23. Traitor 
24. Libtards
25. FREE SPACE 

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