Lord Liaden Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: That was one minor annoyance for me in the Black Panther movie; the depiction of an African nation was an Americanized viewpoint, it was a US fantasy on what an African nation is like, sort of a blend of African cultures and themes with Caribbean and all other sorts of things mixed in for a general blackness without cultural identity or distinction. Which, I suppose, works well for African Americans who've never been to Africa, but I bet Africans find it kind of quaint and perhaps even condescending. I've had discussions with African people living here in Canada who say they like that inclusiveness, that it doesn't elevate one strand of African culture over all others. Wakanda represents something bigger than just one tribal or ethnic heritage. OTOH Wakanda has a number of distinctive cultural elements which unify its people and set it apart from any other society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 "United States of American" is just too unwieldy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 Maybe just go with, "Yankees?" But I agree that "Captain United States" would just be too awkward. (To try to turn the thread back to its topic.) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 So "Captain America" could be Canadian then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bazza said: So "Captain America" could be Canadian then? The good Captain represents the "everyman" and woman, no matter nationality, as long as they fight for freedom and justice for all! Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 9 minutes ago, RDU Neil said: The good Captain represents the "everyman" and woman, no matter nationality, as long as they fight for freedom and justice for all! Maybe he does now. But originally he was a symbol of U.S. values and martial valor in the fight against the Nazis. Maybe Marvel should have renamed him Captain Everyman after he was thawed out and revived in the Silver Age, but that shipped has long since sailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Lord Liaden said: I admit we tend to have a knee-jerk reaction to try to undercut the frequent sense of condescension we feel from many Americans toward Canada. We should probably try to be more tolerant. And we Americans (USans?)** could try to be a little less, I dunno, a**holish? Personally, up until the last year or so I don't think most Canadians could have been much more tolerant of their southern neighbors. Now, any lack of tolerance is probably pretty understandable. (And anything further said on that belongs in the Political Discussion thread.) **On a complete aside, years and years ago I read a few amusing / interesting short stories. IIRC one was written as if a report by far-future achaeologist about the "Usans," so named based on them finding "USA" or "US" on artifacts from our (long-dead) culture. The other was written as if an anthropologist was studying the "Nacirema" and all their odd beliefs and habits, with the perspective of the Nacirema being like a backward tribe of peoples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDU Neil Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 30 minutes ago, zslane said: Maybe he does now. But originally he was a symbol of U.S. values and martial valor in the fight against the Nazis. Maybe Marvel should have renamed him Captain Everyman after he was thawed out and revived in the Silver Age, but that shipped has long since sailed. Well, if Captain America stands for U.S. values (real or purported) at whatever point in history we are... then they got it right with "Hail Hydra!" in this era. drunkonduty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 Ooh, I remember reading "Body Rituals Among the Nacirema" in sociology class. The only thing funnier than realizing who they really were halfway through, was the prof telling the students who hadn't gotten it by the end to spell "Nacirema" backwards. Before dropping this line of discussion altogether, let me just relay a story which has circulated up here over many years. It's probably apocryphal, but it does encapsulate how Canadians tend to view and like to poke fun at our southern neighbors. Supposedly this is a radio conversation between the commander of an American warship and Canadian naval personnel in our bordering waters. American: "Attention, our radar shows us on opposing vectors. Recommend you change course 30 degrees north to avoid collision." Canadian: "Negative. Recommend you change course 30 degrees south to avoid collision." American: "Repeat, change your course 30 degrees north." Canadian: "Negative, change your course 30 degrees south." American: "This is the USS [whatever]. We are a large warship of the United States Navy. Change your course now!" Canadian: "This is a lighthouse. Your call." Ternaugh, Pattern Ghost and RDU Neil 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 I'd say that U.S. "values" are all over the place right now, and that you can't really paint the entire country with a single ideological brush. Half of the country is well-meaning but politically estranged, and the other half isn't evil (ala Hydra), it's just ignorant and afraid. Hermit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 So everybody...how 'bout that new Ant-Man movie coming out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Marcus Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 Premiere here in a couple of days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 5 hours ago, Christopher R Taylor said: I know why Canadians do that, but its kind of annoying. Mexico is in North America too. So's Brazil. And Urugay, etc. Colloquially the entire world refers to the USA as 'America' and that's become standard use. Which makes the Canadian tendency to do that... less than polite or reasonable. Actually, we get Central America and a lot of the islands in the region. Brazil and Uruguay are firmly on the South American continent. Hugh Neilson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 4 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: But there's the other side of it. Americans think of themselves as Americans, and a large part of how Canadians define ourselves boils down to, "not like Americans." So while we may like to point out that technicality to Americans, we would never call ourselves anything-Americans. Perverse, I know. "Higher-Americans". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 Quote Actually, we get Central America and a lot of the islands in the region. Brazil and Uruguay are firmly on the South American continent. Yeah but its all still "AMERICA" which was the source of the complaint. Yeah, the whole two continents, America. But only one of them goes by that name, so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted June 26, 2018 Report Share Posted June 26, 2018 2 hours ago, Starlord said: So everybody...how 'bout that new Ant-Man movie coming out? I'm really looking forward to it. Won't be able to see it on opening day, but will likely see it sometime shortly afterward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmjalund Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 Brazil and Uruguay are in SOUTH America Hugh Neilson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 South America could really benefit from a rebranding. Hugh Neilson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 7 hours ago, Starlord said: So everybody...how 'bout that new Ant-Man movie coming out? Eager for it. The Trailers are great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Old Man said: South America could really benefit from a rebranding. Don't give the gangs and mobs ideas. There's enough violence and criminal activity down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drunkonduty Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 I've heard that lighthouse/aircraft carrier joke a couple of times. It's pretty old. In the UK I've heard it told with a UK lighthouse. In Australia I've heard it told with an Australian lighthouse. Now I've heard the Canadian version. Funny thing is, it's always an American (er, US?) ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drunkonduty Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 As for Antman and Wasp alas I will have to wait a few days to see it as I will be too busy getting ready to get married to have time to go see it on opening night. I considered asking my lovely bride to be if perhaps we could delay the wedding. Then my self-preservation instinct kicked in. assault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, drunkonduty said: I've heard that lighthouse/aircraft carrier joke a couple of times. It's pretty old. In the UK I've heard it told with a UK lighthouse. In Australia I've heard it told with an Australian lighthouse. Now I've heard the Canadian version. Funny thing is, it's always an American (er, US?) ship. Amurrika has more fleet carriers than the rest of the world combined. So, probability. Today's Navy would find some way for their carrier to fail to evade the lighthouse and be rammed by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 I am definitely looking forward to Ant Man movie, with reservations, I hope its not THE WASP and Ant Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drunkonduty Posted June 27, 2018 Report Share Posted June 27, 2018 Not a fan of the Wasp? Both (Janet and Nadia) comic versions are really good characters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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