Lord Liaden Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 Not the first time I've heard this from Republicans. Notably, Newt Gingrich expressed it back in 2016, supposedly to deal with Islamic terrorism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 4 hours ago, MrWolf said: Only thing I have to add is something that was kind of terrifying: a Georgia candidate who lost his Primary wanted to bring back the House Unamerican Activities Committee. I was stunned that anyone would want to resurrect that. I can't even come close to overstating my objection to something like this. 3 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: Not the first time I've heard this from Republicans. Notably, Newt Gingrich expressed it back in 2016, supposedly to deal with Islamic terrorism. I'm not surprised at all. If they get to define whats UnAmerican, that can give a carte blanche to go after anyone who isn't themselves or their voting base. TrickstaPriest and Lord Liaden 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 Strangely, having a committee on Un American activities is Un American........ Pariah and Hermit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 Cue the screams of 'Cancel Culture!' in three ... two ... Tennessee college alumni lobby to remove Supreme Court Justice Barrett from school's 'hall of fame' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 Old joke -> "You're a wealthy white man!" "Well, one out of two ain't bad." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Pariah said: Cue the screams of 'Cancel Culture!' in three ... two ... Tennessee college alumni lobby to remove Supreme Court Justice Barrett from school's 'hall of fame' If only that worked to get her off the SCOTUS... MrWolf, Cygnia and Pariah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 31 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: If only that worked to get her off the SCOTUS... Getting 66 votes in the Senate to remove a Supreme Court justice would be a tall order, but expanding the number of justices to 13 to match the number of appellate courts would take "only" 60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 46 minutes ago, Old Man said: Getting 66 votes in the Senate to remove a Supreme Court justice would be a tall order, but expanding the number of justices to 13 to match the number of appellate courts would take "only" 60. And the Republicans would stonewall at least 4 nominations until they had control again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 FBI Raids Donald Trump’s Mar-A-Lago Break out the popcorn gifs! Pattern Ghost, Lawnmower Boy, pinecone and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Trump's reaction is entirely predictable. Reading it is somewhat amusing, but I wish I coulda seen his face when he got the news, or got served the subpoena for the search. THAT would've been priceless. He of course says "never happened to a President"...when, in fact, he's not. I'll grant it's probably never happened to a former President either, but then, no former President has incited sedition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ternaugh Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Cygnia said: What, again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 The Stolen Election faction probably figures they've never left that state...they were just biding their time. That said, one has to think that authorities in general are keeping a wary eye out...both for what Trumpists might try to do, and because they may well just protest at federal offices...and potentially trigger a counter-protest. And then....? It's a chain, so it might not fully play out anywhere, but it's a pretty reasonable chain. It could happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 This has got to be more than the Presidential Records Act/National Archives. As a rationale that will go over like a lead balloon. I’m hoping for something crushing, evidence of selling State secrets or something like that. Something prosecutable. Please tell me the FBI/DOJ is smarter than that. The preliminary news information is making me very nervous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, Iuz the Evil said: This has got to be more than the Presidential Records Act/National Archives. As a rationale that will go over like a lead balloon. I’m hoping for something crushing, evidence of selling State secrets or something like that. Something prosecutable. Please tell me the FBI/DOJ is smarter than that. The preliminary news information is making me very nervous. The preliminary news information is just a bunch of uninformed conjecture which is what one would expect. Merrick Garland's DOJ doesn't let anyone know squat about what they have found or are about to do, until they do it. Matt the Bruins, Iuz the Evil, Pattern Ghost and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Ranxerox said: The preliminary news information is just a bunch of uninformed conjecture which is what one would expect. Merrick Garland's DOJ doesn't let anyone know squat about what they have found or are about to do, until they do it. Good. I am very hopeful this will be something devastating and worthy of the FBI searching the residence of a former POTUS for the first time in American history. It needs to be, for a lot of reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 26 minutes ago, Iuz the Evil said: Good. I am very hopeful this will be something devastating and worthy of the FBI searching the residence of a former POTUS for the first time in American history. It needs to be, for a lot of reasons. One of the interpretations has been that the Fed has been requesting a return of the documents he took to Mar-a-Lago for months... and he just straight-up refused to return them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 Ever notice how the more authoritarian or 'law and order' they are, the more shocked they seem to be to discover that laws apply to them as well? Pariah and assault 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 22 minutes ago, BNakagawa said: Ever notice how the more authoritarian or 'law and order' they are, the more shocked they seem to be to discover that laws apply to them as well? I read a YouTube comment months back, to the effect that contemporary right-wing philosophy is that law protects, but does not bind them, while it binds, but does not protect everyone else. assault and Tom Cowan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Iuz the Evil Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 9 hours ago, TrickstaPriest said: One of the interpretations has been that the Fed has been requesting a return of the documents he took to Mar-a-Lago for months... and he just straight-up refused to return them. That is what prompted my earlier comment, he’d better have nuclear launch codes or something. It’s not remotely good enough on the face of it, and immediately leads to comparisons to previous administrations (who did things like select what documents went in the National Archives). No Federal prosecutor is going to pursue charges on that. I hate that guy, absolutely despise him for what he’s done to my country. And even so, that isn’t worth it. The Pubs are going to get the House at least this Fall, and the Senate is a toss up. The FBI and DOJ will get absolutely destroyed unless this is iron clad and the public will line up behind them… stupid and lazy behavior isn’t going to get it done, needs to be something really horrific (getting Al Capone on tax evasion isn’t a reasonable comparison imho, Al Capone was a petty gangster, not the former POTUS and potential political rival of the sitting administration in the next election). I live in California, our vote might as well already be cast. How will this play in Florida, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, Arizona, and so on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Iuz the Evil said: The Pubs are going to get the House at least this Fall, and the Senate is a toss up. I refuse to stand by past political precedent, and the results of polling (which show increasing favor for Dems in the midterms, just FYI). This is not politics as usual, the situation is unprecedented, so much can happen between now and November, and the prognosticators have frequently been wrong in recent years. Don't give in to fatalism, Americans! Get out and vote for what's right, for all our sakes. Show the world that government of the people, by the people, and for the people, isn't a dead dream yet. Lee, wcw43921 and IndianaJoe3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 So, the National Archives picked up 15 boxes of documents taken from the White House from Mar-A-Lago in January. If this is really about those documents, does that mean that the National Archives didn't get all of them in January? https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/02/07/trump-records-mar-a-lago/ TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 It’s not a dead dream, but it’s very unlikely the Democrats retain the House of Representatives at this moment. We will see, the future is mutable… I do think they have a shot at the Senate, as I’ve said earlier in the thread. And that’s in no small part due to Trump backing absolutely terrible candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted August 9, 2022 Report Share Posted August 9, 2022 There's genuine concern that this isn't justified... or poorly 'marketed'. The Dem party has been nothing if not terrible at messaging sometimes. So all I can do is wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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