Lord Liaden Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 I sometimes wonder how the Republican Party might have fallen out if John McCain was still alive. I can't imagine him ever kissing Donald Trump's ass, or silencing his criticism of a man he obviously held in contempt. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 16 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: I'm going to focus my speculation on dealing with what's in front of us -- that's more than enough for now. Whereas I see the near future being far too tumultuous for my liking: a large body of well-intending people and their sliver of power warring with the establishment simply to hold onto the parts of the status quo that aren't absolutely bjorked. I cannot foresee if we'll truly have to hit absolute rock bottom before we get our act together or if some miracle (principled, moral, competent and inspiring leadership) will come along, but I'd rather daydream a little while keeping my head down. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Ragitsu said: Whereas I see the near future being far too tumultuous for my liking; a large body of well-intending people and their sliver of power warring with the establishment simply to hold onto the parts of the status quo that aren't absolutely bjorked. I cannot foresee if we'll truly have to hit absolutely rock bottom before we get our act together or if some miracle (principled, moral, competent and inspiring leadership) will come along, but I'd rather daydream a little while keeping my head down. All of us get lost in the darkness Dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter Dreamers turn to look at the cars rravenwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 “I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...” - Carl Sagan The current trend of anti intellectualism in America scares me....it truly does. ScottishFox, Lee and Old Man 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottishFox Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 15 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: I've said it for many years: Liberty, equality, justice, will never be "won." Their establishment and preservation are a never-ending struggle. The veneer of civilization is thin, and it doesn't take a lot to scrape it off and expose the barbarian underneath. Very well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 The most depressing realization I've had is not only have I not seen any serious attempt at tackling climate change in my entire lifetime, but it doesn't seem like even my parents will live long enough to pass away peacefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 17 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said: Not it! I'm a former (way former) Military Police officer, which is a slightly different flavored beast. Though most murders are people who know each other is still true AFAIK. That means that YOU'RE JACK REACHER !!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted July 21, 2020 Report Share Posted July 21, 2020 So, I just put in for a week of time off right after the election. You know, just in case, our democracy depends on 2 to 4 million people showing up in Washington DC and demanding that the vote be honestly reported and it's result honored. I'm a middle age, middle class, white guy and my student activist 30+ years behind me. It is bizarre that I would even have to consider the need for such a thing, much less that I have requested time off over 3 months in advance to cover the thing. So hopefully in November, my wife and I will take a short fall vacation and laugh about the silly reason for the time off request. Otherwise, if anybody want to carpool to DC, I have an entire country to cross, I can probably arrange my route to pick you up. Old Man, Chaon, Dr. MID-Nite and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaon Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 22 hours ago, Pattern Ghost said: Not it! I'm a former (way former) Military Police officer, As in you spent time in Anniston, Alabama former? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chaon said: As in you spent time in Anniston, Alabama former? Yep. Chaon and ScottishFox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaon Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 Same. '86 Pattern Ghost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 '88, had to bust out of 98G school first. Chaon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 15 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: I sometimes wonder how the Republican Party might have fallen out if John McCain was still alive. I can't imagine him ever kissing Donald Trump's ass, or silencing his criticism of a man he obviously held in contempt. I dont know. I do think he might have overstayed by about 5 years. Just seemed like at times his body just couldn't hold up to the job anymore. He isn't the first, cough Strom Thurmond cough. No shame in that it happens to people in all walks of life. It is hard for some to accept the end of public/work life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 hours ago, TrickstaPriest said: The most depressing realization I've had is not only have I not seen any serious attempt at tackling climate change in my entire lifetime, but it doesn't seem like even my parents will live long enough to pass away peacefully. Well, mentioning that I think parents is one reason for my irritability at times. Haven't visited since late March, due to his health issues, and me being essential worker. So, sometimes I expect I will get to see him again at his eventual funeral. I do call some, but I am exceptionally bad with phone conversation. So, it amounts to 3-5 minutes here and there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 18 hours ago, Lord Liaden said: I sometimes wonder how the Republican Party might have fallen out if John McCain was still alive. I can't imagine him ever kissing Donald Trump's ass, or silencing his criticism of a man he obviously held in contempt. McCain didn’t kiss Trump’s ass and was effectively run out of the party by 2017. He and Romney would have constituted the impotent “moderate” wing of the GOP. Matt the Bruins, Grailknight and Pariah 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 In hindsight they were pretty impotent as Presidential candidates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattern Ghost Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 McCain shot himself in the foot with his VP pick, but I think nobody realized how bad that pick was at the time. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 18 minutes ago, Pattern Ghost said: McCain shot himself in the foot with his VP pick, but I think nobody realized how bad that pick was at the time. That had been the only election in my living memory that I had been looking forwards to until that point. (edit: at=>until, for clarity) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 Huge boost for Tina Fey's career. Grailknight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcw43921 Posted July 22, 2020 Report Share Posted July 22, 2020 Not to mention Lisa Ann's. (Come on--don't tell me you don't know who she is.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 Is Trump on track for an October vaccine surprise? Yet at the same time, drugmakers’ sprint through early clinical trials means leading vaccine candidates could begin to show indications of their effectiveness by late October, offering Trump the opportunity to seize on them as a potential game-changer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Starlord said: Is Trump on track for an October vaccine surprise? Yet at the same time, drugmakers’ sprint through early clinical trials means leading vaccine candidates could begin to show indications of their effectiveness by late October, offering Trump the opportunity to seize on them as a potential game-changer. "indications of their effectiveness" You don't rush the development of a medicine for political points! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Ragitsu said: You don't rush the development of a medicine for political points! Watch them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted July 23, 2020 Report Share Posted July 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Old Man said: Watch them. Good luck forcing (sane) people to risk a vaccine in the beta - alpha, even? - phase when their lives are on the line. ScottishFox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted July 24, 2020 Report Share Posted July 24, 2020 On 7/21/2020 at 7:44 AM, Lord Liaden said: I sometimes wonder how the Republican Party might have fallen out if John McCain was still alive. I can't imagine him ever kissing Donald Trump's ass, or silencing his criticism of a man he obviously held in contempt. Senator Romney's making an effort, but he doesn't have anywhere near Senator McCain's clout on the Hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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