unclevlad Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 49 minutes ago, TrickstaPriest said: It looks like SCOTUS has ruled on ACA. That is at least a bit of relief Reference? I saw "show support for" but Google isn't showing anything beyond Tuesday, which was when that was reported. Hope you're right but I'm thinking you may have overstated the point a touch.... 46 minutes ago, wcw43921 said: There may be hope for unification after all-- Yeahhhh.....but...it's great for those who were able to break free, I just don't know how many, as a percentage of their followers, will manage it on their own. It's HARD to do. But good for him/them! (EDIT: I'm just saying don't expect a big broad shift out of this...but hey, a lot of personal scale wins is to be celebrated.) EDIT 2: Ugh. Fine, maybe we can shrink the monstrous boil that is QAnon, but...I'm sure most of us have heard that FB and Twitter have been calling out fake news, disinformation, etc. in various ways. Well...do a quick search on "parler app" and read the stories. Here's one: https://www.wired.com/story/parler-app-free-speech-influencers/ Unification requires some degree of communication..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 Wonder if Trump resigns a few days before end of term, so that Pence can pardon him to clear him from all his future legal troubles. unclevlad and Duke Bushido 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, Starlord said: Wonder if Trump resigns a few days before end of term, so that Pence can pardon him to clear him from all his future legal troubles. LOL. I could see it. But most of the problems are civil, and AFAIK the pardon mechanism only relates to criminal convictions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Starlord said: Wonder if Trump resigns a few days before end of term, so that Pence can pardon him to clear him from all his future legal troubles. 1 hour ago, unclevlad said: LOL. I could see it. But most of the problems are civil, and AFAIK the pardon mechanism only relates to criminal convictions. Also, a presidential pardon is only good for federal crimes. The SDNY is charging him with a lot of things at the state level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 7 hours ago, Lectryk said: Has anyone heard about a boycott/refusal to use mass media (TV, FaceBook, Twitter, et al - substitute Parler, One Network and such) to start on November 13th? So these folks are going to quarantine themselves on social media? Outstanding. If only we could get them to do it in real life, too. Then we might have a chance of stopping the spread of COVID-19. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, Pariah said: So these folks are going to quarantine themselves on social media? Outstanding. If only we could get them to do it in real life, too. Then we might have a chance of stopping the spread of COVID-19. Not outstanding. Extremely dangerous. Parler isn't just a few thousand people; the Wired article said their user base jumped from 4.5M to 8M...since the election. They'll be free to spout their line with no pushback whatsoever.. It creates its own positive feedback loop...but it won't be contained there. Non-members can see it too, and it'll get echoed on all the conservative media outlets...trumpeted loudly, we can expect, from past experience. And figure that groups like the Proud Boys and QAnon will have a field day there. In itself, that makes it a recruiting tool. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 I'm really glad the militia-violence fears have not borne fruit, even with the stolen-election narrative. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, Sociotard said: I'm really glad the militia-violence fears have not borne fruit, even with the stolen-election narrative. The stolen election narrative is the party/team getting straight up murdered by NPCs and one guy is like going I still have one hit point/body left. It's over. You're dead. Get a new character and quit your whining CES tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Sociotard said: I'm really glad the militia-violence fears have not borne fruit, even with the stolen-election narrative. Ironically, I think Trump's assurances that the actions he's taking will prove his victory might actually be lowering the heat on that particular pot. Many of these factions may be taking a wait-and-see approach. But like I wrote upthread, these supremacists tend to be long on braying, short on kicking. Not that there can't be trouble -- some of them are more motivated -- but I don't see the city-in-flames scenarios happening. Sociotard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 10 hours ago, TrickstaPriest said: When they say blood of tyrants, they mean the libs. This is pretty much a cold civil war. This is in Ohio, so it could also refer to the Republican Governor who supports mask mandates and similarly brutal assaults on personal freedom in the name of pandemic control... (he also has suggested recognizing Biden as president-elect) TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, Tom said: This is in Ohio, so it could also refer to the Republican Governor who supports mask mandates and similarly brutal assaults on personal freedom in the name of pandemic control... (he also has suggested recognizing Biden as president-elect) Overall, I think DeWine as good a job as possible with the pandemic in Ohio. To clarify, he said that Biden is the President-elect, but that Trump has the right to make sure the election results are correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 Lee, tkdguy, Lawnmower Boy and 4 others 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 Latest news was that Biden now had 290 electoral college votes to Trump's 217. Ford, Carter and Bush Snr all served one term and left without this much fuss. So why can't Trump ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, death tribble said: Ford, Carter and Bush Snr all served one term and left without this much fuss. So why can't Trump ? There are videos of Hillary literally saying that whenever Trump is losing something, he claims everything is rigged and everyone is conspiring against him. That was 4 years ago. All of this was entirely predictable. It took me and my family around 1 full year to renew our Canadian Passports, and we finished and received them pre-pandemic (because getting them would have been impossible otherwise). So yeah, we've known it was going this way. As Liaden says, things accelerated a lot because of the pandemic, but not so much apparently as I personally expected (post pandemic). So we'll see where it goes from here. 6 hours ago, Tom said: This is in Ohio, so it could also refer to the Republican Governor who supports mask mandates and similarly brutal assaults on personal freedom in the name of pandemic control... (he also has suggested recognizing Biden as president-elect) Ahh... that's pretty awful. 😕 Tell them "fool facial recognition. Wear a mask." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 The domino principle is in effect as one reviled figure falls another is also toppled. Dominic Cummings has gone from No 10. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54938050 assault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 Right now there are quite a few concerns about Trump's recent actions being an attempted coup d'etat. I have been wondering about that myself. Best case scenario is that he's pursuing a scorched earth policy, doing as much damage as he can before he gets kicked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, tkdguy said: Right now there are quite a few concerns about Trump's recent actions being an attempted coup d'etat. I have been wondering about that myself. Best case scenario is that he's pursuing a scorched earth policy, doing as much damage as he can before he gets kicked out. It's pretty damn sad when that's the best case scenario... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 Well, any coup is going to be through the Supreme Court. Actual deployment of military isn't realistic... at least not without the Supreme Court 'giving' him the election. So that's my main concern at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 Speaking of Trump and poisoned pills... There's an article in the NYT today about Biden having climate change as a major issue. To achieve much, he's got to have China on board. And gee, just yesterday, Trump issues an order barring investment in companies believed to have too many ties to the Chinese military.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lectryk Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, TrickstaPriest said: Well, any coup is going to be through the Supreme Court. Actual deployment of military isn't realistic... at least not without the Supreme Court 'giving' him the election. So that's my main concern at this point. There is too big a gap in elector votes, covering too many states, for the Supreme Court to weigh in and change the election. The only cases that might stick only affect one state's vote totals (last I looked, anyway). Electoral College shenanigans around appointment/assignment of electors is where you have to worry. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, TrickstaPriest said: Well, any coup is going to be through the Supreme Court. Actual deployment of military isn't realistic... at least not without the Supreme Court 'giving' him the election. So that's my main concern at this point. To get to the Supreme Court, cases have to work their way through the lower courts at the state level before the SCOTUS is petitioned to hear them, which they're not obliged to do. So far every court challenge the White House's legal team has made in specific states has been dismissed as groundless. 19 minutes ago, unclevlad said: Speaking of Trump and poisoned pills... There's an article in the NYT today about Biden having climate change as a major issue. To achieve much, he's got to have China on board. And gee, just yesterday, Trump issues an order barring investment in companies believed to have too many ties to the Chinese military.... China has already instituted climate-change mitigation measures more extensive than what the United States was shooting for before Trump. So Biden should face no serious opposition from them on that front. They might even push him to do more. Matt the Bruins and TrickstaPriest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 Biden wins Ga, loses NC (which is to be expected). Again the Supreme Court have already said they aren't hearing any cases based on the election. Trump isn't wasting their time. Plus one of the law firms repping Trump just said we're out. The reason other presidents in our lifetime have conceded and Trump hasn't is because they were decent human beings and Trump is still grifting money with a promise to run in 24 CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrickstaPriest Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 The law firm leaving is interesting. I didn't know that about the Supreme Court. That does mean that the Electors have less justification for doing anything weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted November 13, 2020 Report Share Posted November 13, 2020 3 hours ago, death tribble said: Latest news was that Biden now had 290 electoral college votes to Trump's 217. Ford, Carter and Bush Snr all served one term and left without this much fuss. So why can't Trump ? When things were looking bleak the day after the election, I made the prediction here that Biden would win with 285+. I'm glad he didn't make me look bad. tkdguy and TrickstaPriest 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted November 14, 2020 Report Share Posted November 14, 2020 Law firms have to worry about their broader reputation; filing a bunch of hopeless lawsuits is not good for that. Pennsylvania is particularly hopeless; the margin is almost a full percentage point. Laws vary, but I think the Trump campaign can demand a recount...but with that margin, in many states, THEY would have to pay for it. Not the state. The vote fraud cases would have to work their way up, yes, and with a long, extensive string of dismissals based on groundless...which is saying "WTF are you doing wasting the court's time" really...the Supreme Court will, I suspect be very much disinclined to hear any of them. That said...if some states try to do an end-run on the electoral college, and select a slate in opposition to the popular vote in the state...THAT might go to the Supreme Court directly. CNN has finally called all the states, so the final margin is 306-232. Matt the Bruins and tkdguy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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