slikmar Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 Given the conversation going on in the Marvel thread, I am interested in what happens with this one. It is being released in theaters and HBO+. So curious if that will eat into the box office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 11 hours ago, slikmar said: Given the conversation going on in the Marvel thread, I am interested in what happens with this one. It is being released in theaters and HBO+. So curious if that will eat into the box office. According to reports, Warner Brothers already re-negotiated with the profit participants of the various films released simultaneously to theaters and HBO Max. https://observer.com/2021/01/hbo-max-warner-bros-movies-box-office/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 This would mean they are ahead of the curve in negotiations, when the contract period ends in Hollywood, and the talent strikes begin. I am going to be verrry interested in how the writer's negotiations proceed. Trencher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 Quote It is being released in theaters and HBO+. So curious if that will eat into the box office. It has to, inevitably, its just a question of how much. Black Widow didn't do boffo streaming either, so its hard to know how much that impacted box office, but I am of the opinion that the days of packed theaters and lines are over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 WB reluctantly rolled out the 2021 pay-out plan just to get through the pandemic. It prevented a ton of lawsuits (over lost box office revenue due to WB refusing to release any of their movies to theaters in 2021) that were looming on the horizon if they didn't. The fight over streaming subscription revenue sharing is a completely different battle, and WB will be defiantly standing its ground, in terms of negotiations, right along-side every other studio. Scott Ruggels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 The studios will eventually lose, its sad how pathetically grasping and greedy they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 The studios always capitulate eventually. But it usually takes several contract renewal cycles before they do. Same fight, new name. Every new "ancillary market" format that comes along profits the studios first, and then the talent later (much later). If the studios refuse to negotiate on this, I wonder if we'll see the guilds creating their own studio (kind of like the old United Artists) just so they can create a competing streaming service of their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 I’m definitely going to the theater for Chang Chi and the Eternals. Not sure I’d bother with much of the other fare this fall… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 Looking forward to "New Guy", and Dune, but not much besides that. as it is, COVID has slowed production down dramatically. Dragging this back on topic, I have lost interest in The Batman, earing how the star has sabotaged it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted August 7, 2021 Report Share Posted August 7, 2021 The Batman will wait for DVD release. If then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 11 hours ago, Scott Ruggels said: Looking forward to "New Guy", and Dune, but not much besides that. as it is, COVID has slowed production down dramatically. Dragging this back on topic, I have lost interest in The Batman, earing how the star has sabotaged it, What happened on this, Scott? CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 Pattinson refusing to work out. Faking Covid so he didn't have to work out. Caused problems between Reeves and Pattinson. It's been pushed back to next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Ruggels Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 6 hours ago, csyphrett said: What happened on this, Scott? CES Oh... Where to start. how about these links: https://boundingintocomics.com/2020/10/12/industry-insiders-corroborate-rumors-of-robert-pattinsons-difficulties-on-set-of-the-batman/ https://cosmicbook.news/robert-pattinson-fakes-coronavirus-batman-trouble https://wegotthiscovered.com/movies/robert-pattinson-rumored-causing-big-problems-batman/ https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/movie-tv/robert-pattinson-and-zoe-kravitz-apparently-had-sex-on-the-hood-of-the-batmobile/95289763/page-3/ So yeah, I feel really bad for the Director of this film, because not only COVID restrictions, but having a tempermental and immature star on the set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 Who thought Twilight dude would be an ideal batman I can only guess about but the entire thing feels like a train wreck that's too far along for WB to back out on. Scott Ruggels and pinecone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 He was so good as the dead guy in Harry Potter. CES Matt the Bruins and Christopher R Taylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 We should not be surprised that yet another WB superhero movie is a complete disaster. They should just stick to animation; seems to be the only thing they are (reasonably) consistently good at. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted August 8, 2021 Report Share Posted August 8, 2021 Well there has yet to be a Batman film that did not make money. And yes I am including Batman and Robin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 Unfortunately, making money from one isolated movie here and there is all that WB has to look forward to. They will remain completely overshadowed by Marvel and the MCU until the day comes when the MCU no longer enthralls the masses and they too are left just desperately trying to make a successful superhero movie once in a while. In other words, parity between Marvel and DC on the big screen will never come as a result of DC success, but only as a result of Marvel decline/failure. And that's just sad, especially if you are a big DC fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 I watched Suicide Squad and was pleasantly surprised. I'd give it a B to B+. Insane doesn't begin to describe the things that go on in this movie...I can only say that I never imagined being able to see Starro brought to live action cinema, but this was the way to do it and it really paid off. Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 Quote In other words, parity between Marvel and DC on the big screen will never come as a result of DC success, but only as a result of Marvel decline/failure There's another option: Marvel gobbles up Time/Warner entirely and takes over DC movies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 17 minutes ago, Christopher R Taylor said: There's another option: Marvel gobbles up Time/Warner entirely and takes over DC movies. Before or after Disney wrecks Marvel? I also don't think this will happen any time soon. Disney hasn't returned to anything close to normal yet, and it's not at all clear when they will. Scott Ruggels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted August 9, 2021 Report Share Posted August 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, Christopher R Taylor said: There's another option: Marvel gobbles up Time/Warner entirely and takes over DC movies. "Now all restaurants are Taco Bell." Lawnmower Boy, Trencher, Christopher R Taylor and 3 others 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 6 hours ago, unclevlad said: Before or after Disney wrecks Marvel? You say that as if it was a future possibility. The Marvel ship has already hit the iceberg and each recent new release shows it settling lower in the water. It is possible that they could rescue themselves. But to do so they would need to recognize where they had gone wrong and that will never happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Device Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 29 minutes ago, Spence said: You say that as if it was a future possibility. The Marvel ship has already hit the iceberg and each recent new release shows it settling lower in the water. Um, what? The last release before Black Widow was Spider-Man: Far from Home. It made $1,131M worldwide. Black Widow's $359M worldwide take, even without China, puts it at the number 5 movie worldwide for 2021. Considering that all the movies above it did have a China release, that's not bad. And that's not including the $60M opening weekend streaming revenue. Just looking at domestic box office, it's the top movie this year. With the Delta wave of the pandemic wave cranking up, I expect that the other two Marvel releases this year will suffer at the box office. But so will every other movie released. 46 minutes ago, Spence said: It is possible that they could rescue themselves. But to do so they would need to recognize where they had gone wrong and that will never happen. I haven't seen any evidence presented that they have gone wrong, or that they have anything they need to rescue themselves from other than the hit they've taken due to the pandemic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted August 10, 2021 Report Share Posted August 10, 2021 The Chinese Market is hugely overstated, it is smaller than domestic. Time will tell if Marvel's fortunes or vision for films is on the decline or not, but this is not a good sign. The streaming numbers were a disaster and the box office was very poor for Black Widow. If that's their vision for the future, its not promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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