Pariah Posted October 23, 2022 Report Share Posted October 23, 2022 There is a saying I heard once: "If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, yell like Hell." That's been the strategy of the GOP for the last several years, and the way that strategy manifests itself in electronic communications is via spam. Lord Liaden 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death tribble Posted October 23, 2022 Report Share Posted October 23, 2022 The latest news is that Boris Johnson has pulled out of the race to be the new Tory leader saying it is the right thing to do. Unusually I agree with him. After all the trouble that there was beforehand it would be wrong to even attempt a comeback this soon. Sunak is the only one with enough support so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 Spoilered for naughty UKers... Spoiler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 https://oregoncapitalchronicle.com/2022/10/10/indian-child-welfare-act-which-protects-families-before-the-u-s-supreme-court/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 33 minutes ago, Cygnia said: https://oregoncapitalchronicle.com/2022/10/10/indian-child-welfare-act-which-protects-families-before-the-u-s-supreme-court/ How does removing Native children help with fossil fuel access? Just trying to understand - are they being adopted and then later coerced into allowing land rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 I've just filled out my ballot, and I'll be driving it down to one of the polling places to drop it off. One of the ballot questions was about setting up ranked choice voting and allows open primaries, which seems to scare the Republicans the most, so I had to vote for it. Another question was about putting equal rights into the Nevada Constitution, and this one's been lobbied very heavily as being unfair to female athletes, apparently because there's a massive influx of males transitioning just so that they can get those lucrative women's sports scholarships, and make use of the massive amount of funding that women's athletics programs get*. I've been getting at least one piece of physical mail and several text messages daily on this very subject. The arguments against passage add a few other points, like it may make discriminating against people based on religious views illegal, and it might make abortions legal in Nevada**. Given the quality of those arguments, how can I vote any other way than "Yes"? *https://www.npr.org/2022/06/24/1107242271/the-ncaa-says-that-funding-for-women-in-college-sports-is-falling-behind **Which it is, and is actually part of our Nevada Constitution. Hermit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermit Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 On 10/21/2022 at 7:06 PM, unclevlad said: But this wasn't a criminal proceeding, it was an evidentiary hearing. Standards of evidence are less; opportunities for rebuttal/refutation are more limited, I believe. Yes. I know. I'm still not wowed. Folks have been saying 'ooo Trump's in trouble now' or the like for years. But Mid terms are coming up, and I have a feeling we're going to go from slow to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 24, 2022 Report Share Posted October 24, 2022 7 hours ago, Starlord said: How does removing Native children help with fossil fuel access? Just trying to understand - are they being adopted and then later coerced into allowing land rights? It's just genocide. Fewer brown people = more for white people. Besides, what if they were to ask for their land back? Starlord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclevlad Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 33 minutes ago, Hermit said: Yes. I know. I'm still not wowed. Folks have been saying 'ooo Trump's in trouble now' or the like for years. But Mid terms are coming up, and I have a feeling we're going to go from slow to stop. Unfortunately true. A major component of Trump's approach has been, I think, simply stalling the process; it can only help him to draw things out. Particularly with regard to the Congressional hearing; neither side is in session, unsurprisingly, with the election almost here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 The wild card in the midterms is the people who don't usually vote, who don't answer polls, who don't definitively make up their mind until they get to the polling stations. I've been hearing that advance polling has been much heavier this year than for most midterms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkdguy Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 I've been making calls the last couple of weeks. I'm probably preaching to the choir for the most part, but I hope I can get some people to vote. Old Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 I am absolutely voting next month, because our senior Senator cannot be allowed to remain in office. tkdguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Nothing I haven't heard before, but the NYTimes has run numbers on the demographics of districts of Republican Representatives that voted to reject the 2020 election results. Their America Is Vanishing. Like Trump, They Insist They Were Cheated. (msn.com) The most depressing section, though, was this: Quote In Montgomery County, the largest in the district, the party has been offering weekly screenings since the summer of the film “2000 Mules.” Using faulty arguments, the film alleges that Democrats conspired to stuff ballot drop boxes to engineer Mr. Trump’s defeat. “The other side always talks about facts, facts, facts, but facts change and facts are whatever you want them to be,” said Jo Anne Price, 70, host of the screenings, accusing news organizations of distorting the truth. I have no words. Dean Shomshak rravenwood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 9 hours ago, Starlord said: How does removing Native children help with fossil fuel access? Just trying to understand - are they being adopted and then later coerced into allowing land rights? The belief is that the lawyers are playing the long game. That a ruling against the ICWA would be a stepping stone on the way to rulings that would help their fossil fuel clients. It is deemed unconstitutional to make a law saying that only white people can adopt white children or only black people can adopt black children. However, it is perfectly constitutional to make a law saying that the children of foreign nationals living in the US in the event of the loss of the parents should be sent back to the nation of the their parent if it can safely be done and does not harm the children. Therefore, a ruling that the ICWA is unconstitutional is a legal precedent against the sovereign status of the tribes. Precedents like that are useful when you want to argue that you should be allowed to build a pipeline across a reservation or acquire drilling rights on federal land is considered part of a tribal nation. Starlord 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 “The other side always talks about facts, facts, facts, but facts change and facts are whatever you want them to be,” said Jo Anne Price, 70, host of the screenings, accusing news organizations of distorting the truth. How do you argue with someone who believes facts change, and are distinct from truth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, Lord Liaden said: “The other side always talks about facts, facts, facts, but facts change and facts are whatever you want them to be,” said Jo Anne Price, 70, host of the screenings, accusing news organizations of distorting the truth. How do you argue with someone who believes facts change, and are distinct from truth? You can't. This is Soviet-style oligarchy and control of the press. Repeat a lie often enough and people will come to believe it. Bigger lies are easier to believe. Especially effective are lies about elections, which not only make people believe a particular election was stolen, it causes them to lose faith in the democratic process entirely. And that's working on both sides, because while Republicans believe elections were stolen, the rest of us can't help but see the gerrymandering and voter suppression and foreign assistance that the Republicans are using to stay in power. Because they want us to see it and lose faith in the democratic process. This isn't going to get better until Citizens United is repealed and the Fairness Doctrine is reinstated. Or billionaires cease to exist. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragitsu Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Why not some world peace on the side while you're at it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sociotard Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 Ukraine and Russia are accusing each other of preparing to pop a dirty bomb in a false flag operation. This article specifies preparations the Russians are taking to fight in a radioactive environment. https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-says-its-forces-are-preparing-work-under-radioactive-contamination-2022-10-24/ (That didn't work well in Chernobyl, and I don't trust radiation preparedness to the army that tells conscripts to go buy tampons for first aid) I wonder how it could be proved who set up a dirty bomb? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 18 minutes ago, Ragitsu said: Why not some world peace on the side while you're at it? I didn’t say it was easy. Or even possible. Ragitsu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/24/politics/congress-democrats-reaction-ukraine-strategy/index.html I hope that we maintain our resolve on this issue. Russia illegally invaded Ukraine and are guilty of numerous war crimes, many of which are too horrific to describe on this Board. They’ve terrorized and murdered, and are doing their level best to eradicate the very concept of a Ukrainian people. We do not have boots on the ground, this is money well spent for our National interest in my opinion. Putin will not stop at Ukraine, he’s resolute in the desire to recreate the USSR. This may be the biggest positive foreign policy accomplishment of this administration if they succeed in blunting those ambitions. TrickstaPriest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BNakagawa Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 "the film alleges that Democrats conspired to stuff ballot drop boxes to engineer Mr. Trump’s defeat." Or as we like to call it, voting. BoloOfEarth and Lord Liaden 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Iuz the Evil said: I hope that we maintain our resolve on this issue. Define "we". One major U.S. party is already on record as intending to stop aid to Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnia Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 My bodily autonomy is at stake if I don't vote. assault and Old Man 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iuz the Evil Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 10 hours ago, Old Man said: Define "we". One major U.S. party is already on record as intending to stop aid to Ukraine. https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/senate/3696451-gop-leaders-mcconnell-mccarthy-headed-for-collision-on-ukraine-aid/amp/ It would be more accurate to say one party is conflicted on continued aid. I agree the GOP is not to be trusted on this issue, but defunding Ukraine military aid is not an official position at this point for them. And by “we” I mean the Democratic Party, who I’m registered as a member of. Who are also beginning to waffle in their more wildly progressive membership. If both parties falter… well United States assistance would be pretty limited at that point. I obviously can’t count on the Republicans to fund anything but investigations into the role of Jewish Space Lasers around Kharkiv. Be nice if someone kept their resolve on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DShomshak Posted October 25, 2022 Report Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Iuz the Evil said: And by “we” I mean the Democratic Party, who I’m registered as a member of. Who are also beginning to waffle in their more wildly progressive membership. That hasn't been reported in my usual media sources (though I find it sadly plausible). Could you tell more about this, please? Dean Shomshak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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