Logan D. Hurricanes Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, Starlord said: Electro and Thor always have strong character arcs. Starlord and Lawnmower Boy 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Logan.1179 said: The lengths I reached for that were shocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 First movie Thor has a pretty major journey and change in him learning to be more humble and focused on helping those around him, but who asks for the villain in a movie to have major character arc?? A New Hope was great, but Darth Vader didn't learn an important lesson before the death star blew up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Starlord said: The lengths I reached for that were shocking. If you keep it up, we might have to charge you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, BoloOfEarth said: If you keep it up, we might have to charge you. Watt are you trying to say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 That's it. You're grounded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 47 minutes ago, Starlord said: Watt are you trying to say? You're grounded! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 Frankly, I don't find characters with flippy-floppy personalities to make for great storytelling anyway*, and the Superhero Genre is not exactly all about the protagonists' personal journeys and character changes. *They feel more like "my character is chaotic neutral so I can play him like a pawn who always does whatever I think will be most tactically advantageous and is never restricted by any moral code, beliefs or considerations outside what would be the best tactical decision right now". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 14 hours ago, Ranxerox said: embracing ones essential core is a change Only if rejecting one's essential core is established in the beginning of the movie/story as an elementary source of dramatic conflict for the character. And it won't appear as change (i.e., character development) unless the audience is let in on that rejection right up front, because it won't be apparent that it was the events of the story that produced said change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spence Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 Well, I'll have to drudge up this part of the thread in a year or so when I get to see it. I just can't bring myself to go through the effort for what have been called movies in the last 10 15 years. I used to get super hyped for movies and even wait in lines to see them. But they are just not what they were. Now they are all glitzy and smooth but hollow. No longer memorable. I will even forget entire scenes unless reminded within a few weeks because they are just meh. I really wonder if there is anyone left in Hollywood that even understands the definition of dialog. I actually watch more K-Drama these days because their subtitles seem to carry more umpf. K-Drams and movies/shows made before 2000 seem to be my go to. Christopher R Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted November 11, 2021 Report Share Posted November 11, 2021 Marvel has made Eternal's supporting character, Karun Patel, his own emoji. This is cool because I and apparently everyone else really liked the character. slikmar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 Disney Plus Day: See Everything Announced From Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar and Morehttps://variety.com/2021/film/news/disney-plus-trailers-news-1235110365/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pariah Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 11:13 PM, Christopher R Taylor said: The thing that confuses me is... why? Why make this? ... I don't get it. Of all the possible projects... The Eternals??? I had similar feelings when Guardians of the Galaxy came out. I mean, these guys are a D-list title at best. Why give them a movie? It turned out all right, and I expect this will too. Matt the Bruins, zslane, Grailknight and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Neilson Posted November 12, 2021 Report Share Posted November 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, Pariah said: I had similar feelings when Guardians of the Galaxy came out. I mean, these guys are a D-list title at best. Why give them a movie? It turned out all right, and I expect this will too. There are advantages to using D-listers. Make a change to the icons, and watch the furore. But we can make Shang-Chi a flying energy blaster and people are quite happy with it. There's a greater ability to adapt the characters to the medium, and to anticipated audience reaction. We want more female characters? OK. Makkarri, Sprite and Ikaris are female now. Would that have worked with Flash and Cyborg? zslane, slikmar and Grailknight 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoloOfEarth Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Hugh Neilson said: There are advantages to using D-listers. Make a change to the icons, and watch the furore. But we can make Shang-Chi a flying energy blaster and people are quite happy with it. There's a greater ability to adapt the characters to the medium, and to anticipated audience reaction. We want more female characters? OK. Makkarri, Sprite and Ikaris are female now. Would that have worked with Flash and Cyborg? I think if Marvel tried to make Flash and Cyborg female, they might have had a problem with lawsuits from DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlord Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Watched Shang-Chi today...liked it...didn't love it. Grade B. pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 I’m starting Shang-Chi right now, everybody be quiet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 Okay you guys can talk now. Shang-Chi greatly exceeded my admittedly low expectations. It worked as both a wuxia film and a MCU movie, and managed to tell a new story on top of that. If I try real hard I can think of imperfections, but nothing that pulled me out of the movie or is otherwise even worth bringing up here. Simu isn't Jackie or Donnie but he held up the action sequences surprisingly well, and I liked all the callbacks to classic martial arts movie tropes. pinecone, drunkonduty, Lawnmower Boy and 4 others 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. MID-Nite Posted November 13, 2021 Report Share Posted November 13, 2021 15 hours ago, Old Man said: Okay you guys can talk now. Shang-Chi greatly exceeded my admittedly low expectations. It worked as both a wuxia film and a MCU movie, and managed to tell a new story on top of that. If I try real hard I can think of imperfections, but nothing that pulled me out of the movie or is otherwise even worth bringing up here. Simu isn't Jackie or Donnie but he held up the action sequences surprisingly well, and I liked all the callbacks to classic martial arts movie tropes. I generally liked it. My only major gripe was the immortal supervillain with super powers who could have conquered the entire world before 1500 (and that seemed to be his goal), but instead turns into a reclusive crimelord. Um...okay? Matt the Bruins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan D. Hurricanes Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Dr. MID-Nite said: I generally liked it. My only major gripe was the immortal supervillain with super powers who could have conquered the entire world before 1500 (and that seemed to be his goal), but instead turns into a reclusive crimelord. Um...okay? That really bothered me, too! Glad I'm not the only one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted November 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Well, we needed to become a crime lord so that his eventual son & daughter would rebel, and so his daughter would take over the criminal organisation. It may just be me, but the Ten Rings, seem analogous to DC’s League of Shadows. Ninja-Bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Or League of Assassins, depending on which medium is adapting the comics. Also the Hand from Marvel Comics. Hell, even Shredder's Foot Clan. 😉 The comic-book precedents are pretty extensive. The current official Champions Universe has a few analogues, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 Quote My only major gripe was the immortal supervillain with super powers who could have conquered the entire world before 1500 (and that seemed to be his goal), but instead turns into a reclusive crimelord. Um...okay? Yeah its a pretty silly idea, but used a lot in comic books. Immortal incredibly powerful beings who do petty crap and never carry out any kind of plots until the heroes show up. "I was around 200 AD, and was a potter, not using my powers to conquer the world or anything." Their reinterpretation of the Mandarin and the bracelets-- er, rings is pretty weak too, but they were terrified of any charges of racism or comparing to the Mandarin in the comics. The line about naming their leader after an orange though... uh, Mandarin is a Chinese term for a specific sort of person, its not some western creation and its not about an orange. They just cannot get past the crap from IM 3. Ninja-Bear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 I believe it was from a Spider-Man book. He was talking to Dr. Octopus about the world beaters wanting to rule the world. "And none of you have any idea what you would do with it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted November 14, 2021 Report Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Christopher R Taylor said: The line about naming their leader after an orange though... uh, Mandarin is a Chinese term for a specific sort of person, its not some western creation and its not about an orange. Mandarin is not a Chinese term. It is a Western term for a Chinese bureaucrat. This Shang-Chi film is all the more impressive when you consider the history of the character (and especially his original father). Replacing the jewelry with chi sau rings was only one of many small touches along these lines. pinecone, mattingly and Matt the Bruins 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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