zslane Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 18 hours ago, slikmar said: I thought, when they showed the flashbacks of Carol in movie she did seem to be enjoying herself and having fun, especially with her friend. Her time with the Kree was spent being beaten down and told to control her emotions, constantly, because they knew that she had this power and were afraid of it. You are quite right. Unfortunately, the fact that there is an in-movie explanation/justification for Carol's dour personality isn't going to do much to make the haters not hate her anymore. I think part of the problem here is that we spend so much of the movie's running time with Vers, the cold, ruthless Kree super-soldier, that we regard her, and not the hero she eventually becomes, as the movie's protagonist. For many, Vers is all they remember, and the fault for that probably lies in a combination of things: the screenplay, Larson's public behavior, and a general weariness for contemporary gender politics, to name just a few. Pattern Ghost, Lord Liaden and Old Man 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher R Taylor Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 That scene never made sense to me. He threw his hammer near her and so she's great now? The Thor endorsement based on her not going "eek" when a magical hammer goes by her head? Armory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Captain Marvel, the film, has an authentic mythic element (mythology) in it that is reminiscent to Star Wars (1977). Thinking about it now, Black Panther may also have mythology embedded in it too. Not for one moment did Marvel set out to deliberately put myth in Captain Marvel (or Black Panther), it would have been 'accidental'. The element of myth would explain to a certain extent the popularity of Captain Marvel, and mores Black Panther (if it is really in there). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranxerox Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 59 minutes ago, Christopher R Taylor said: That scene never made sense to me. He threw his hammer near her and so she's great now? The Thor endorsement based on her not going "eek" when a magical hammer goes by her head? Thor respects courage. Pattern Ghost and slikmar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 He didn't throw it. He called it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archer Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ranxerox said: Thor respects courage. Yeah, but that's not exactly a test of courage unless she assumes Thor is totally inept and will accidentally hit her with the hammer. Or she assumes Thor is a homicidal maniac who will deliberately hit her with the hammer for no good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Basically, Carol didn’t flinch; that is why Thor likes her. Dr.Device, Lord Liaden and Lawnmower Boy 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 Carol didn't flinch, didn't take her eyes off Thor's as he stared her down, even started to smirk a bit toward the end of their eye-lock. It wasn't the calling of Stormbreaker alone that made the difference, that was only one element of their interaction. Thor was reading her, one seasoned warrior to another. Confidence, self-discipline, are as important as courage. slikmar and Dr.Device 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zslane Posted June 1, 2021 Report Share Posted June 1, 2021 I'm willing to bet that had it been someone like Charlize Theron or Angelina Jolie in the role, that stare-down with Thor would have been received more favorably by nay-sayers. Brie Larson, for all her acting talent, just doesn't project the fierce attitude and raw charisma necessary to sell that scene, at least not to a large portion of the male audience. Most of the time Marvel gets it right when casting women to play "badass" characters (Black Widow, Peggy Carter, Okoye, Valkyrie, Hela), but sometimes they miss the mark, and when they do, the criticism (and disappointment) is understandable. Scott Ruggels and Pattern Ghost 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drunkonduty Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 In that scene Danvers is being hazed. Thor is playing "flinch" with her. Carol Danvers refuses to flinch. She doesn't know Thor won't hit her, she knows next to nothing about him. It's a dick move on Thor's part. But Danvers was in the military and she is no stranger to men being dicks to her simply because they feel they have the right to test her. We see it in a flashback in Captain Marvel when she and Rambeau are in the bar and some dick comes up to her and tries to make her flinch. Carol Danvers refuses to flinch. Jhamin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 It wasn't a dick move. Remember that the Avengers have just met Captain Marvel. They don't know what she can do or how she'll be under fire. Yet she's essentially boasting that the outcome of another battle with Thanos will be different now that they have her. Thor was justified in testing whether she had the grit to back that up. pinecone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazza Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 The Oral History of ‘WandaVision’ https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/oral-history-wandavision-olsen-bettany-hahn-feige-1155120/ Quote: “Feige: I didn’t want to call the show Wanda and Vision or The Scarlet Witch and Vision. I was at the AFI [American Film Institute] luncheon in 2018 and I remember looking at the board where it listed the top 10 films and seeing BlacKkKlansman. I remember thinking, “How cool is that? They just mushed those two words together and the audience just accepts that as a title.” So I thank Spike Lee for making BlacKkKlansman. I know that’s the weirdest connection ever, but that’s how it came about.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bazza said: The Oral History of ‘WandaVision’ https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/tv-features/oral-history-wandavision-olsen-bettany-hahn-feige-1155120/ Quote: “Feige: I didn’t want to call the show Wanda and Vision or The Scarlet Witch and Vision. I was at the AFI [American Film Institute] luncheon in 2018 and I remember looking at the board where it listed the top 10 films and seeing BlacKkKlansman. I remember thinking, “How cool is that? They just mushed those two words together and the audience just accepts that as a title.” So I thank Spike Lee for making BlacKkKlansman. I know that’s the weirdest connection ever, but that’s how it came about.” I figured it had to be something like that. It just seemed like one of those shows that was developed to fit the title. But I'm up to episode 3 and so far it's pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 It gets better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ternaugh Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 12 hours ago, zslane said: I'm willing to bet that had it been someone like Charlize Theron or Angelina Jolie in the role, that stare-down with Thor would have been received more favorably by nay-sayers. Brie Larson, for all her acting talent, just doesn't project the fierce attitude and raw charisma necessary to sell that scene, at least not to a large portion of the male audience. Most of the time Marvel gets it right when casting women to play "badass" characters (Black Widow, Peggy Carter, Okoye, Valkyrie, Hela), but sometimes they miss the mark, and when they do, the criticism (and disappointment) is understandable. You are not their primary target demographic for the character. The goal was to get more women to purchase tickets by providing a protagonist that they can identify with. Christopher R Taylor, Armory, drunkonduty and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawnmower Boy Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Ternaugh said: You are not their primary target demographic for the character. The goal was to get more women to purchase tickets by providing a protagonist that they can identify with. I read these words as an English sentence but they don't make sense. Everything is made for me and I'm a middle-aged White man who used to buy comics thirty years ago, so clearly Captain Marvel was made for middle-aged White men who used to buy comics thirty years ago. Or maybe it was forty? Anyway, point is, I paid my dues back when comics cost a buck and a quarter every issue, and now I'm entitled! Ternaugh, Armory, archer and 4 others 2 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Lawnmower Boy said: I read these words as an English sentence but they don't make sense. Everything is made for me and I'm a middle-aged White man who used to buy comics thirty years ago, so clearly Captain Marvel was made for middle-aged White men who used to buy comics thirty years ago. Or maybe it was forty? Anyway, point is, I paid my dues back when comics cost a buck and a quarter every issue, and now I'm entitled! I paid my dues when they cost ten cents. CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trencher Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Lawnmower Boy said: I read these words as an English sentence but they don't make sense. Everything is made for me and I'm a middle-aged White man who used to buy comics thirty years ago, so clearly Captain Marvel was made for middle-aged White men who used to buy comics thirty years ago. More dudes watched Captain Marvel than women and more women than men whatched Aquaman. If you want women audience have men with abs take their shirt off. (Glittering and superpowers helps too) If you want men to watch your movie have some action and a sexy woman in it. (Even if you have to hire a butt double) pinecone and Scott Ruggels 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt the Bruins Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Man, they should make Contortion its own Olympic sport so all the effort some straight white men go to explain how media spotlighting women or minorities isn't actually successful or popular despite all evidence to the contrary doesn't go to waste. 🤣 archer, Armory, csyphrett and 5 others 5 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywind Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 https://www.marvel.com/articles/movies/thor-love-and-thunder-wraps-filming Love and Thunder has wrapped filming. Simu Liu, who plays the titular role in the upcoming Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, responded, "Jesus Christ I need to get in shape." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Liaden Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Chris Hemsworth has been pumping to play Hulk Hogan in an upcoming movie. That's why he looks more massive than ever. Pattern Ghost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingly Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Greywind said: https://www.marvel.com/articles/movies/thor-love-and-thunder-wraps-filming Am I the only one who thinks it looks like Thor is wearing Jack Burton's shirt? Lawnmower Boy and slikmar 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slikmar Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 I think Chris will make a great Hogan. Look forward to seeing what the movie is and how jaded it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinecone Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 4 hours ago, mattingly said: Am I the only one who thinks it looks like Thor is wearing Jack Burton's shirt? That is how he can catch Mjolnir..."Its all in the reflexes" Matt the Bruins and mattingly 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csyphrett Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 6 hours ago, mattingly said: Am I the only one who thinks it looks like Thor is wearing Jack Burton's shirt? It looks similar from this angle but I think Jack's had a pagoda on it. Chris's shirt looks like it has a bird of some kind CES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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